It finally happened. Officers abused and cavity searched someone I know.

[kahless]

Indeed. In my area the temp rarely drops enough to wear a heavy jacket, so a hoodie suffices as my choice of outerwear during the winter. I had no idea someone might profile me as a "druggie".

It is just shy of 100 degrees where I am at, but if I drive a mile downtown no doubt there will be some pusher on a street corner with his hoodie up selling.

I find it hard to believe that you believe certain cops will not profile you while driving into a rich white neighborhood wearing a cheap looking hoodie like the druggie on a street corner wears.

 

[QuickZ06]

Kahless it is good to see you back on the same page like the majority of us. We all put our foot in our mouth from time to time. I was not that hard on you as others (just poked some fun at what you said) but I am glad to have you here on the forums in the support for liberty. Some really do not need to go "full attack mode" on some of the members here when we don't agree with what they said as we all came here for the same reason. The man behind the curtain wants us to fight amongst ourselves, I say give them nothing.

 

[Anti Federalist]

The compliance, by itself, is a form of humiliation.

This is one of the best summations of where we are in AmeriKa I have read in while.

Every Amerikan needs to understand this is where we are at.

And if anything realistic is going to be done about it or not.

I do think I understand what Kahless is saying about avoiding a situation and wearing appropriate attire. I think that's one of those things your grandparents teach you about dressing nicely and having a good first impression. That's a general decent rule.

However I don't believe that's rule applies in this specific situation, as others have stated a million times.



I also think AP in POST #90 hit the nail on the head. She got tackled and sexually assaulted because she DARED to ask, "WHY?"

In the Good Old US of A, if you dare to SPEAK back or NOT COMPLY immediately, you will be tackled, raped, humiliated, jailed, tortured, and/or possibly killed.


It doesn't matter if she was wearing a formal business suit or Doctor's coat or whatever. HOW THE FUCK DID THAT BITCH ASK WHY??? AND Im sure the women was already Pissed with her husband and probably some stress getting the kids buckled in and what not...And behind her is a cop saying, "I need your id" She was probably thinking, "WHAT THE FUCK!?! NOW WHAT??" So I'm sure it came out with a bit of frustration.

And if you speak to a LEO with a bit of frustration in your voice, You will be humiliated, you can bet on that. They are your masters. You are a bunch of fucking mundanes. You are NO ONE. You will only speak when asked a question, and you will speak quietly and politely and you will ONLY answer that question. YOU WILL OBEY ALL COMMANDS. AND YOU WILL DO IT IMMEDIATELY. YOU WILL COMPLY like the fucking second class citizen you are, you just never realized it before.


The video attached is a lesson. COMPLY. OBEY. DO NOT ASK QUESTIONS, DO NOT HESITATE, DO NOT SPEAK RUDELY, SHOW NO RESISTANCE, IF you do this, maybe you will survive the encounter, and maybe you won't be humiliated. BUT there are NO GUARANTEES, you still may be Tackled, raped, and humiliated.


Anyone with a pea sized brain knew this is a mother doing an errand with 2 small kids, who was no harm to anyone. Her crime was her attitude. Not her clothes, not dropping rocks in a mail slot. The only crime was her attitude. THIS IS the USA today.

The Police are a "paramilitary" force, and the citizens are the enemy.

Think of it this way. A Soldier in Iraq is looking for terrorists, the soldier is at war. Anyone could be an enemy. Anyone could have a bomb strapped to them or be planting IED's, kids, women, men, anyone. EVERYONE is the enemy. When a Soldier is called, they expect a hostile condition, and everyone they encounter is an enemy. Anyone that mouths off to them they start to beat the crap out of, and possibly bring back to base to interrogate and maybe torture. People that silently comply, Maybe the frisk, but probably they will let go after they are sure the area is secure.

THE POLICE think the EXACT SAME THING. YOU are the local iraqi, they think YOU may be the terrorist, YOU are the enemy.

When The Post office called 911, the SOLDIERS came in EXPECTING A HOSTILE CONDITION. A mundane was identified (an iraqi, Roxi's friend), she didn't immediately comply. She needed to be taught a lesson. Area was secured, and the SOLDIERS returned to base.



Soldiers = Police Force. The difference is the battleground is our home, and we are the enemy.

 

[tod evans]

The compliance, by itself, is a form of humiliation.

This is one of the best summations of where we are in AmeriKa I have read in while.

Every Amerikan needs to understand this is where we are at.

And if anything realistic going to be done about it or not.

There is only one thing that can be done....

Voting works as well as whining and sniveling.

Suing any member of the "Just-Us" department will prove as fruitful as rice farming in the Mojave..

Discussing "action" via 1's & 0's is insane, and against forum guidelines..

 

[Pericles]

The compliance, by itself, is a form of humiliation.

This is one of the best summations of where we are in AmeriKa I have read in while.

Every Amerikan needs to understand this is where we are at.

And if anything realistic going to be done about it or not.

That was an epic post by Mani, worthy of much rep.

 

[kahless]

Kahless it is good to see you back on the same page like the majority of us. We all put our foot in our mouth from time to time. I was not that hard on you as others (just poked some fun at what you said) but I am glad to have you here on the forums in the support for liberty. Some really do not need to go "full attack mode" on some of the members here when we don't agree with what they said as we all came here for the same reason. The man behind the curtain wants us to fight amongst ourselves, I say give them nothing.

My posts from the beginning and throughout this thread were harsher on the police than anyone else's here and I never blamed her, so in that respect I think we were all on the same page.

I just in a politically incorrect manner, not saying it was right, speculated why would a human being treat a mother in this manner in front of her children. That's where I initially from the point in the clip I saw thought they sized her up based on appearance.

I was thinking along the lines, for all we know the call from the post office riled them up and then they get behind her in the patrol car, more adrenalin pumping since they see the hoodie. Those notions should have all been dispelled after they see it was just a mother, children and something as stupid as rocks in a mailbox.

Regardless like I said from the beginning it should not give them license to behave in that manner but we see this time and time again here.

btw - despite my harsh statements against the police in this thread and behavior that has become all too common, I do not believe they are all bad. When you see something like this it is easy to get outraged and sound like you are painting them all that way. Not my intention.

 

[Anti Federalist]

That was an epic post by Mani, worthy of much rep.

Duly repped, of course.

This sums it all up:

Soldiers = Police Force. The difference is the battleground is our home, and we are the enemy.

They will patrol out of their secure areas, fuck up anybody that needs fucking up, and RTB.

Occupying Army.

We are under siege, regardless of the fact that it has a smiley face on it.

 

[Roxi]

I see the theme of blaming me for pointing out the bad bad behavior of others continues.


Not sure if she did, but I do not drive around with a hoodie on and before the police come up to my car I take it off and I especially take it off when dealing with them. You do not want to antagonize an already agitated animal.

Are you fucking kidding me? Do you have any clue how cold it was that day? I wear a hoodie every day in the winter. I really can't believe that you've turned this thread into this shit with this babble. If I believed in giving neg rep I totally would. Screw off.

 

[Roxi]

You know what the biggest mistake is in making an apology? Making an excuse or condition--you should have stopped at the first paragraph.

If I could give you a billion reps for this thread I would. It won't let me though.


Oh and nope, not sharing.

 

[kahless]

You are taking that comment out of context. The "bad behavior of others" is BAD BEHAVIOR OF THE POLICE. I DO NOT BLAME THE VICTIM.

I was speculating on what agitated them. Regardless of what agitated them, IT WAS WRONG.

This is an internet forum where people discuss topics and sometimes speculate on behavior. This would be a really boring place if there was not a debate.

You should be happy I and others continue to keep this thread on the first page so people notice what happened to your friend. Normally these threads drop off after a day. Yours is still sticking around because of the debate.

 

[Roxi]

You are taking that comment out of context. The "bad behavior of others" is BAD BEHAVIOR OF THE POLICE. I DO NOT BLAME THE VICTIM.

I was speculating on what agitated them. Regardless of what agitated them, IT WAS WRONG.

This is an internet forum where people discuss topics and sometimes speculate on behavior. This would be a really boring place if there was not a debate.

You should be happy I and others continue to keep this thread on the first page so people notice what happened to your friend. Normally these threads drop off after a day. Yours is still sticking around because of the debate.

If you would just understand that it isn't the truth that she was possibly profiled for her hoodie that people in this thread are upset about, it's the way you said what you said, and then continued to say ignorant things throughout the thread in defense of what you had said in the first place.

You had me pissed at "If she had dressed like a lady"

It was like 20 degrees that day. She left her house thinking she would be out of the car for a total of 5 minutes. She had flip flops and no bra on.

Yes I realize you're not saying you agree with what happened. It was the insinuation that she may have prevented what happened by having different clothing on, and it's that mindset that perpetuates this shit in the first place.

This didn't happen because of her hoodie. This happened because she questioned the demand for her identification. She could have been wearing a business suit and it would have went down the same way. In KC you don't question their authority without being body slammed, especially not with the female officers because they have a lot more to prove.


In regard to "You should be happy I and others continue to keep this on the first page"

I'm glad the story is staying at the top. She deserves that. Your comment that it wouldn't be the case without your babble is insulting and shows how egotistical you really are.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

"At least you're not being arrested for making lampshades out of human skin"

WTF?

I scanned the thread to see if any confirmation on that statement has been found. Anyone?

 

[kahless]

If you would just understand that it isn't the truth that she was possibly profiled for her hoodie that people in this thread are upset about, it's the way you said what you said, and then continued to say ignorant things throughout the thread in defense of what you had said in the first place.

You had me pissed at "If she had dressed like a lady"

It was like 20 degrees that day. She left her house thinking she would be out of the car for a total of 5 minutes. She had flip flops and no bra on.

Yes I realize you're not saying you agree with what happened. It was the insinuation that she may have prevented what happened by having different clothing on, and it's that mindset that perpetuates this shit in the first place.

This didn't happen because of her hoodie. This happened because she questioned the demand for her identification. She could have been wearing a business suit and it would have went down the same way. In KC you don't question their authority without being body slammed, especially not with the female officers because they have a lot more to prove.

I have something like a dozen posts now of me saying my first impression from tuning in mid video was wrong and what I said was politically incorrect.

There is more anger directed towards me than the ones that treated your friend so badly. Do you want blood, should I fall on a sword now?

I stand by my comments that people will profile you based on your appearance. That is not ignorance, it is a fact of life. You live in a fantasy world if you believe otherwise.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

"At least you're not being arrested for making lampshades out of human skin"

WTF?

I scanned the thread to see if any confirmation on that statement has been found. Anyone?

Bump!

Can ya'll start another thread or argue in a PM? [Mod edit]

 

[amy31416]

Bump!

Can ya'll start another thread or argue in a PM?

I think it's confirmed that kahless can be ***, [Mod edit] and is continuing on that path with his every post here, however--I think that quote about being charged with making lampshades isn't on the video, but is her word on what happened.

Is there any "official" record yet Roxi?

 

[kahless]

I think it's confirmed that kahless can be ***, [Mod edit] and is continuing on that path with his every post here, however--I think that quote about being charged with making lampshades isn't on the video, but is her word on what happened.

I get it. Dissenting opinions are not welcome and anyone that has an opinion that differs from yours deserves to be repeatedly insulted.

 

[amy31416]

I get it. Dissenting opinions are not welcome and anyone that has an opinion that differs from yours deserves to be repeatedly insulted.

I'm sorry man, but can you read what you're posting?

You say "I'm sorrrrrrry for saying something 'politically incorrect.'" No you aren't. By calling what you said "politically incorrect" rather than simply "incorrect," you're showing complete insincerity. The rest still tries to rationalize what you said about her being partially at fault for not "dressing like a lady."

This little cop-fueled drama isn't about how people perceive a person, as has been said a zillion times--she looked fine. Can you cut it out or not? I can't recall ever having an issue with you and you've been here longer than me. Why obsess on an issue where you were clearly wrong while nobody is arguing with you on the irrelevant issue that you applied to this case where you are actually right?

You were wrong, so what? Drop it already.

 

[pcosmar]

I stand by my comments that people will profile you based on your appearance. That is not ignorance, it is a fact of life. You live in a fantasy world if you believe otherwise.

My anger at it was the fact that they laid hands on her at all.
Their reason (or alleged reason) for doing so is irrelevant. and on something as utterly stupid as an article of clothing makes it even more maddening.

It does not matter what she was wearing or who she was. Or who they may have thought she was.
It does not matter if s the person was a dirt-bag "druggie: or Thug or Gang-banger IT DOES NOT MATTER..

They had no right to touch her. No business even asking (let alone demanding) her name.

There was no Crime. They saw no Crime. They did not even investigate the stupid call to see if any crime had taken place.

And this is a damn clear example of why Police should not exist.

 

[kahless]

I'm sorry man, but can you read what you're posting?

You say "I'm sorrrrrrry for saying something 'politically incorrect.'" No you aren't. By calling what you said "politically incorrect" rather than simply "incorrect," you're showing complete insincerity. The rest still tries to rationalize what you said about her being partially at fault for not "dressing like a lady."

This little cop-fueled drama isn't about how people perceive a person, as has been said a zillion times--she looked fine. Can you cut it out or not? I can't recall ever having an issue with you and you've been here longer than me. Why obsess on an issue where you were clearly wrong while nobody is arguing with you on the irrelevant issue that you applied to this case where you are actually right?

You were wrong, so what? Drop it already.

You are so full of it. There are now pages and pages of me saying that a closer look shows profiling likely did not apply in this case. Yet the attacks continue like I never said it.

I do not take back the politically incorrect comment about profiling in general. People do it, it is a fact of life. People can be outraged at me all they like but I have no control over how people react based upon your appearance.

You were wrong, so what? Drop it already.

Not my fault that people do not read my later posts and keep replying all outraged.

 

[kahless]

My anger at it was the fact that they laid hands on her at all.
Their reason (or alleged reason) for doing so is irrelevant. and on something as utterly stupid as an article of clothing makes it even more maddening.

It does not matter what she was wearing or who she was. Or who they may have thought she was.
It does not matter if s the person was a dirt-bag "druggie: or Thug or Gang-banger IT DOES NOT MATTER..

They had no right to touch her. No business even asking (let alone demanding) her name.

There was no Crime. They saw no Crime. They did not even investigate the stupid call to see if any crime had taken place.

And this is a damn clear example of why Police should not exist.

I agree and have said exactly that in this thread almost verbatim.

I think it is foolish not to speculate and try to understand the motives of ones bad behavior. Doing so does not mean you condone it.