It cost $67.000 for a recount should RP pay for recount?

[NoxTwilight]

This seems a waste of time and effort not to mention negative publicity for a state with .. 6 or 7 delegates???? Not sure if that number is correct but I say pick our battles - we can't keep crying fraud at every one, even if there is - would still work against us.

 

[Andrew-Austin]

Its not going to happen.

 

[goldismoney]

I agree that it would be most powerful if the grassroots paid for the recount.

 

[Menthol Patch]

It IS going to happen.

If we don't set a precedent then we can expect to LOSE on Super Tuesday.

 

[beachmaster]

It's not about the man, it's about the message. Part of the message should be: WE WANT OUR GODDAMNED VOTES COUNTED!!!

Can I get at least one AMEN??

Elsewise, I'm not going to waste my time on Jan. 29th in Florida... screw it if I can't count on having my vote counted!

 

[goldismoney]

This seems a waste of time and effort not to mention negative publicity for a state with .. 6 or 7 delegates???? Not sure if that number is correct but I say pick our battles - we can't keep crying fraud at every one, even if there is - would still work against us.

I couldn't disagree more. We have an army assembled. This is a battle we MUST fight. It's still early in the primary season and very early until the presidential primaries. NH is a small state, which makes a recount much cheaper.

IMO, based on our satisfaction regarding the recount, we should eventually think about a moneybomb to bring a civil action action lawsuit to court.

 

[jp5065]

if grassroots can raise 400k for a damn blimp, you would think we would be able to raise the 60k for something useful

 

[Swmorgan77]

Its a question.. Could we prove vote fraud? Would we look like cry babies? Hmm. I dunno.

But if nothing else we do KNOW one district fucked up. I think that if it was widespread we will have more people coming forward sometime today.

We already have proven the innacurate results in Sutton.

 

[joenaab]

that is remarkably cheap. where did that number come from? if it's true, this is a no-brainer. The first question that comes to my mind is, "what if they've destroyed Ron Paul ballots", or somehow swapped out ballots cast for RP with ballots for other candidates, or simply in some cases added ballots cast toward other candidates to dilute RP's percentage?

Lots of questions that might not get resolved if they simply recount votes and then report them in again via the same secretive phone system, or if there is no "receipt" provide to all voters that show their vote was cast and counted as intended.

 

[CurtisLow]

if grassroots can raise 400k for a damn blimp, you would think we would be able to raise the 60k for something useful

your right!
We need a good lawyer that can or has dealt with this kind of stuff that is a Ron Paul supporter and he needs to setup a chipin. He must be fully checked out before we start giving our money to him or her.


Or who else could we hire?

 

[werdd]

i reconsider my vote, i now think we should independently fund this thing. Same results, minus the blowback,

Jones is setting this thing up as we speak.

 

[Menthol Patch]

If the campaign does not demand a recount in New Hampshire we will be sending a message to every neo-con in this nation that we don't care if votes are stolen from us and we will NOT take action. That's right! We will be telling them they can steal our votes and we will do NOTHING! However, by demanding a recount NOW the campaign can set a PRECEDENT that if anyone tampers with our votes there WILL be a recount, people WILL be prosecuted, and people WILL end up in prison!

Ron Paul is almost certainly the most HATED candidate in decades. Why? Because he promotes freedom! It's OBVIOUS that the neo-cons would try and tamper with his votes! Ron Paul is a THREAT to them!

We need to all call the campaign and demand they pay for a recount in New Hampshire!

Ron Paul HEAD QUARTERS

703-248-9115

If there is not a recount then we can COUNT on more votes being stolen on Super Tuesday!

 

[CanadiansLoveRonPaul]

This recount is absolutely neccessary. There must be a few people on the board that have the cash to lump together to get this done. It may seem like a lot of money, but think of the consequenses if RP doesn't get elected...

 

[StateofTrance]

Even if you do recounts, I'm pretty sure those hacks (I mean new hacks) will count them wrongly again. You can't trust anybody.

 

[The Dane]

No, the campaign needs to do this. The campaign is TOO mellow about everything. They need to STAND UP and demand a recount!

No, keep HQ out of it. But it should be done by grassroots

 

[snaFU]

Where is the option "I'm not a fucking lunatic that can't accept reality so I understand vote fraud didn't occur"

 

[wildflower]

If the voter fraud issue is not dealt with, we lose this election. Period.

Or to put it more accurately, they steal this election.

That said - Someone mentioned that someone else, instead of Paul himself pay for a recount. That might be a better idea, because Paul shouldn't have to take time out to deal with this crap, and have people think it's sour grapes. But it definitely must be done, I have a feeling what we discovered in Sutton county is just a drop in the bucket.

 

[JenaS62]

wait a minute. I thought the question was should RP pay for it so I voted no. There probably should be a recount but not requested by the RP campaign. We need to save that trump card for the end of the game if we need it.

 

[stevedasbach]

No, unless there is evidence of systematic fraud.

Before we invest 67,000 in this, we need to hear from the NH canvassers. Are the results in the areas they canvassed out of line with what they expected from their canvassing? By how much? If applied statewide, would that difference affect the number of delagates earned?

A 30-vote screwup in one town (intentional or not) that has been fixed doesn't by itself jusify spending $67,000 on this. We would need to find thousands of votes to make this worthwhile. I have yet to see any hard evidence indicating that fraud on that scale occurred.

 

[wildflower]

No, unless there is evidence of systematic fraud.

Before we invest 67,000 in this, we need to hear from the NH canvassers. Are the results in the areas they canvassed out of line with what they expected from their canvassing? By how much? If applied statewide, would that difference affect the number of delagates earned?

A 30-vote screwup in one town (intentional or not) that has been fixed doesn't by itself jusify spending $67,000 on this. We would need to find thousands of votes to make this worthwhile. I have yet to see any hard evidence indicating that fraud on that scale occurred.

Where are the NH people anyway? I got online late today, so I may have missed their posts, but I want to hear from people who actually live there and have been canvassing. They need to look at the results and see how that corresponds to our support there.