Issue: Health Care: Dr Ron Paul, Vaccines & Autism

[angelatc]

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/news_press_release,128969.shtml

I know this is controversial, and having Dan Burton on board doesn't help. But there is a pronounced number of autism and other neuroligical disorders being diagnosed in children.

Vaccinated Children Two and a Half Times More Likely to Have Neurological Disorders Like ADHD and Autism, New Survey in California and Oregon Finds

In Washington, Congresswoman Carolyn Maloney (D-NY) has been advocating for such a survey. Co-sponsored by Rep. Maurice Hinchey (D-NY) and Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX), the "Comprehensive Comparative Study of Vaccinated and Unvaccinated Population Act of 2006," or H.R. 2832, was introduced on June 22, and would require the National Institutes of Health to complete this research.

I'm surprised he would vote for this. Doesn't seem like it's in the Constitution.

 

[Therion]

The vaccines causing autism has been debunked so thoroughly that I feel no need to explain it once again. So I won't. This is stupid.

 

[ecliptic]

thanks for nothing

The vaccines causing autism has been debunked so thoroughly that I feel no need to explain it once again. So I won't. This is stupid.

Thanks for your almighty pronouncement. Guess that settles that...

Cognitive dissonance much?

 

[Noodles]

Unless you have 3 normal children who become autistic and completely stop TALKING after vacinnations... Then, maybe not so stupid.

This happened to a friend's children.

 

[angelatc]

Well, I wasn't intent on settling it here. If Dr Paul thinks it merits discussion he can discuss it. My point was that I'm surprised he wants any federal agency in it.

(And what happens to your friends' kids about sums up what happened to Dan Burton's grandson. He was fine until he got a vaccine.)

 

[Noodles]

Think of this: The federal government requires the vacinnations. Thus the federal government should be held responsible. I would imagine Dr. Paul is against this being mandatory - but is willing to hold the government accountable.

Just a guess.

 

[CJLauderdale4]

My only problem is that the Fed and the Dept of HHS KNOW that there is an issue with the vaccines by setting up this fund: http://www.usdoj.gov/civil/torts/const/vicp/about.htm

Sure, it's only a few rare cases, but why force children to get SO MANY vaccines, some of which don't even stop the disease, just supposedly make it less painful to deal with. Children are now required to get 31+ vaccines?!?!!? I never had that many, and I'm OK....I think...

Finally, why did they break their own laws on mercury content with Thimersol by allowing newborns to get Hepatitis B shots at birth? This puts 20X more mercury in the system of a newborn than allowed by FDA and CDC law??

THANKFULLY there is no more mercury in vaccines. But, what'd they replace it with? On to the next preservative, and possible unknown issues in rare cases...

 

[PatriotOne]

The vaccines causing autism has been debunked so thoroughly that I feel no need to explain it once again. So I won't. This is stupid.

Yes it's been so debunked that Russia, Denmark, Austria, Japan, Great Britain and all the Scandinavian countries have all banned it from their vaccines.

 

[Therion]

Yes it's been so debunked that Russia, Denmark, Austria, Japan, Great Britain and all the Scandinavian countries have all banned it from their vaccines.

Thimerosal has been used in vaccines since the 1930s, yet we're only seeing an increase in autism incidence now. Gee, even decades afterwards autism was extremely, extremely rare.

And haven't vaccines been thimerosal-free for what, seven years? With the incidence of autism only continuing to increase?

 

[ecliptic]

WHO and the other agenda

The wonderful folks at the World Health Organization surely mean well ... but if you look at who is behind WHO, you find many of the same individuals at the United nations who are advocates of drastic reductions in human population... conflict of interest? Hidden agenda?

"A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal."
- Ted Turner - CNN founder and UN supporter - quoted in the McAlvany Intelligence Advisor, June '96

One mother's congressional testimony: 125 times the allowable amount of mercury in one day:

A Mother's Story
My name is Lyn Redwood. I reside in Atlanta, Georgia with my husband Tommy and three children, Hanna, Drew and Will. My husband and I are both health care professionals. My husband is a Physician and I'm a Nurse Practitioner. I also hold a Masters Degree in Community Health Nursing and I'm a member of our County's Board of Health and local Planning Commission.

My son, Will, weighed in at close to 9 lbs at birth. He was a happy baby who ate and slept well, smiled, cooed, walked and talked, all by one year. Shortly after his first birthday he experienced multiple infections, lost speech, eye contact, developed a very limited diet and suffered intermittent bouts of diarrhea. He underwent multiple evaluations and was initially diagnosed with a global receptive and expressive speech delay and later with Pervasive Developmental Disorder, a form of autism.

I would have never made a correlation between my son's disability and vaccines until July 1999 when I read that a preservative, thimerosal, utilized in some infant vaccines, actually contained 49.6% mercury. The report went on to say that the FDA had determined that "infants who received thimerosal-containing vaccines at several visits may be exposed to more mercury than recommended by Federal Guidelines for total mercury exposure." As health care providers my husband and I constantly receive notices that adverse events have been reported with a drug or a product safety sheet has been revised. Why were no such notices sent out informing us that thimerosal preserved vaccines were exceeding federal guidelines for mercury exposure in infants?

It was in light of this information that I reviewed my son's vaccine record and my worse fears were confirmed. All of his early vaccines had contained thimerosal. From my research on mercury I have found it to be a potent human toxicant which is especially damaging to the rapidly developing fetal and infant brain. While acceptable levels for exposure are published by Federal Agencies, mercury is a poison at any level.

The dose thought to be safely allowed on a daily basis by EPA is 0.1mcg per kilogram of body weight per day. At 2 months of age my son had received 62.5 mcg of mercury from 3 infant vaccines. According to EPA criteria, his allowable dose was only 0.5mcg based on his weight. He had received 125 times his allowable exposure on that one day. These large injected bolus exposures continued at 4, 6, 12 and 18 months to a total mercury exposure of 237.5 mcg. I also discovered that the injections that I received during the first and third trimesters of my pregnancy and hours after the delivery of my son to prevent RH blood incompatibility also contained mercury.

Excerpted with permission from testimony
Government Reform Committee, July 18, 2000

 

[Bryan]

Thanks for citing a source ecliptic, I'd like to see others doing the same. We all get information that forms our views from some place- it's always possible that those information sources have errors. By digging deeper we can gain a better understanding of reality.

 

[Man from La Mancha]

don't read the MSM media for this

Thimerosal has been used in vaccines since the 1930s, yet we're only seeing an increase in autism incidence now. Gee, even decades afterwards autism was extremely, extremely rare.

And haven't vaccines been thimerosal-free for what, seven years? With the incidence of autism only continuing to increase?

but not with combo of other substances we have today and old supplies and no it hasn't been totaly eliminated and there dozens of other adjunctsin in vaccines besides mercury than can cause problems

I would vote for Ron Paul on this one issue alone my body and my children are mine and not the government. I find vaccines are most horrific, after extensive study. it would take too much space here to present the facts here but is on the net. but every major disease that they say vaccines help was on the decline when introduced anyway. And in the case of small box, every time they vaccinated people the incident of small box skyrocketed over the last 100 yr.

 

[PennCustom4RP]

Autism increase can be attributed to better Dr understanding and therefor detection of this condition.


from the Autisminfo website

http://www.autisminfo.com/QuickFacts.htm
AutismInfo.comQuick Facts About Autism

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Autism occurs in 1 in every 500 births and in a rate of 5 boys to every girl.
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Autism currently affects over 400,000 people in the U.S.
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Autism is the third most common developmental disability following mental retardation and cerebral palsy.
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Autism is more common than multiple sclerosis, cystic fibrosis or childhood cancer.
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Autism receives as little as 5% of the research funding as other less common diseases.
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The annual per-person allocation for persons with autism is approximately $35. In contrast, multiple sclerosis receives roughly $158, diabetes $424, breast cancer $600, and AIDS $1,000. Currently there is no medical detection, treatment or cure for autism.

Information provided by the CAN Foundation (Cure Autism Now)

Additional Facts

* Many kids are making enormous strides and a significant number are now indistinguishable from their peers.
* Behavioral therapies, diet, vitamin and mineral supplementation, and medical interventions are some of the treatments effectively being used.
* Most of the above interventions are considered experimental and are not supported by the medical community.
* Autism is a condition whose treatments are specifically excluded by some insurance companies.

 

[ecliptic]

baloney

Autism increase can be attributed to better Dr understanding and therefor detection of this condition.

Baloney, with a spread of hogwash and some balderdash... I'm not buying that...

Look at autism symptoms alongside mercury poisoning symptoms - they are exactly the same. Besides vaccines, mercury vapor is in our atmosphere from coal-fired power plant emissions and from there is evenly poisoning the entire globe. Some of that mercury is inhaled, other mercury finds it's way into fish... Has anyone studied autism and other types of possible mercury intake? Corporations will kill us all if we do nothing...

 

[Man from La Mancha]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism_therapies
is a start with their links but search the net

Nutrition seems a excellent way to help this

http://www.impossiblecure.com/ don't know about this but it seem to work for them and cured autism

 

[ThePieSwindler]

So is Ron Paul advocating using federal funds to do this research.. what do people think of this, in relation to RP?

 

[Man from La Mancha]

Quote Dr. Ron Paul MD

As a medical doctor, I believe mandated smallpox vaccines are bad medicine. The available vaccine poses significant risks, even though the more serious complications affect only a statistically small number of people. As with any medical treatment, these risks must always be balanced against the perceived benefit. Remember, not a single case of smallpox has been reported, despite the near-hysteria that characterized recent news reports. Even if some individuals became infected, smallpox spreads only with very close contact. Those in the surrounding community could then decide to accept vaccines based on a much more tangible risk.

As a legislator, I believe mandated smallpox vaccines are very bad policy. The point is not that smallpox vaccines are necessarily a bad idea, but rather that intimately personal medical decisions should not be made by government. The real issue is individual medical choice. No single person, including the President of the United States, should ever be given the power to make a medical decision for potentially millions of Americans. Freedom over one’s physical person is the most basic freedom of all, and people in a free society should be sovereign over their own bodies. When we give government the power to make medical decisions for us, we in essence accept that the state owns our bodies.

The possibility that the federal government could order vaccines is real. Provisions buried in the 500-page homeland security bill give federal health bureaucrats virtually unchecked power to declare health emergencies. Specifically, it gives the Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services – in my view one of the worst of all federal agencies – power to declare actual or potential bioterrorist emergencies; to administer forced "countermeasures," including vaccines, to individuals or whole groups; and to extend the emergency declaration indefinitely. These provisions mirror those found in the Model Emergency Health Powers Act, a troubling proposal that was rejected by most state legislatures last year. That Act would have given state governors broad powers to suspend civil liberties and declare health emergencies. Yet now we’re giving virtually the same power to the Secretary of HHS. Equally troubling is the immunity from civil suit granted to vaccine manufacturers in the homeland security bill, which potentially could leave individuals who get sick from a bad batch of vaccines without legal recourse.

Politics and medicine don’t mix. It is simply not the business of government at any level to decide whether you choose to accept a smallpox vaccine or any other medical treatment. Yet decades of federal intervention in health care, including the impact of third-party HMOs created by federal legislation, have weakened the doctor-patient relationship. A free market system would allow doctors and patients to make their own decisions about smallpox inoculations, without the federal government hoarding, mandating, nor prohibiting the vaccine. Instead, we’re moving quickly toward the day when government controls not only what vaccines patients receive, but what kind of health care they receive at all.

December 10, 2002

 

[denvervoipguru]

Vaers

The VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Effects Reporting System) requirements are rediculously stringent when determining which adverse affects could be caused by an innoculation. I believe that the illness event or symptom has to be reported within 24 hours in order to be recorded. Don't quote me on this, but that's what I recall from when I researched the vaccine issue after my first child was born.

We've always taken vaccines on a case-by-case basis, and have NEVER let our children have multiple vaccines in one session.

We don't vaccinate our 4 year old against Hep B for example (primarily a sexually-transmitted disease), we don't vaccinate against Chicken pox, etc.

Regarding Dr. Paul's vote, If its true that he voted for this, it would seem to be very inconsistent with his standard of constitutionality.

 

[Matt]

Maybe he justified it under the general welfare clause. Federal agencies are currently charged with setting vaccination policies which could be harmful. This study could influence current policies.

 

[Galactic Lord Xenu]

Unless you have 3 normal children who become autistic and completely stop TALKING after vacinnations... Then, maybe not so stupid.

This happened to a friend's children.

That doesn't rule out genetic or environmental factors at all.