Israel attacks [invades] Lebanon

On the most recent Ralph Nader Radio Hour, we spoke to MIT's Theodore Postol—an expert on missile technology and the destructive power of all manner of aerial weaponry on civilian infrastructure. Upon studying satellite photos of Gaza, upon which 55 thousand tons of bombs have been dropped, Professor Postol stated: “The loss of life in Gaza is almost certainly in the hundreds of thousands. It's not in the tens of thousands like are being reported. There have got to be enormous numbers of people who are buried under these buildings, which have been destroyed by the Israelis. That is a massacre.”
 
Israel, Netanyahu are celebrating and bragging that they have Nasrallah himself, Nasrallah's replacement?

Has Netanyahu learned anything from what happened in 1982 before Hezbollah came to power?
 
dannno said:
I was never for the US war in Iraq..
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Yeah. I'm seriously curious as to why you weren't considering you seemingly back Israel's current action. Real answer and not some ChatGPT generated crap. There's now more evidence that Oct 7 was a false flag than there is that 9/11 was a false flag.

Lol, that's one building, in all of Tel Aviv, and it is an administrative building..
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You do realize that Iran's proxies are still limiting their strikes in hopes to avoid full escalation right?

TEL AVIV, July 19 (Reuters) - A long-range Iranian-made drone hit the centre of Tel Aviv in the early hours of Friday in an attack claimed by the Yemen-based Houthi militia that killed one man and wounded four others, the Israeli military and emergency services said.

The explosion, which footage shared on social media suggested came from the sea and did not trigger air raid alarms, occurred hours after the Israeli military confirmed it had killed a senior commander of the Iran-backed Hezbollah militia in southern Lebanon.

Chief spokesperson Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari said the military assessed that the drone, which hit a building near the beachfront close to U.S. Embassy premises in Tel Aviv, was an upgraded Iranian-made Samad-3 model.

"Our estimation is that it arrived from Yemen to Tel Aviv," he told a press briefing.
A spokesman for the Houthis, which like Hezbollah are aligned with Iran, said the group had attacked Tel Aviv with a drone and would continue to target Israel in solidarity with Palestinians in the Gaza war.

The attack, which took place ahead of a visit to Washington by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu next week, is likely to fan fears about further fallout from the Gaza war as the Houthis and other Iranian proxies side with the Palestinian militant group Hamas.

Defence Minister Yoav Gallant met military commanders to review air defences and said the country had to be ready for all scenarios. "We must be prepared for defensive and offensive actions," he said, according to a statement from his office.
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Former PM Bennett calls for action against Iran's nuclear program

"This is a unique window of opportunity that gives us both the legitimacy and the ability to hit them hard."

Former Prime Minister Naftali Bennett has released a video statement emphasizing the need to attack Iran’s nuclear program, declaring that the current geopolitical landscape presents a unique opportunity for Israel.

He noted that both Hezbollah and Hamas, powerful branches of what he described as the "Iranian terrorist octopus," are now weakened, allowing Israel to act without fear of severe retaliation.

Bennett stated, "This is a unique window of opportunity that gives us both the legitimacy and the ability to hit them hard." He argued that while there will always be reasons to refrain from action, it is crucial to remember that as long as Iran remains operational, its affiliates can recover.

He emphasized the importance of striking at the core of the Iranian regime, advocating for a comprehensive approach rather than limited actions that merely send a message. "We cannot just strike Iranian military bases or take spectacular but limited actions," he said. "The time for messages is over."

Bennett urged for decisive measures against Iran's nuclear capabilities, stating, "We have the means to deliver a severe blow to the heart of the Iranian regime." He highlighted that the Iranian populace is calling for regime change, framing this moment as an opportunity for Israel to secure the future for its children and grandchildren.

"This is a unique opportunity," he concluded, urging for decisive action to undermine Iran's influence and capabilities.

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/isra...lls-for-action-against-iran-s-nuclear-program
 
Snowball said:
Former PM Bennett calls for action against Iran's nuclear program

"This is a unique window of opportunity that gives us both the legitimacy and the ability to hit them hard."

Former Prime Minister Naftali Bennett has released a video statement emphasizing the need to attack Iran’s nuclear program, declaring that the current geopolitical landscape presents a unique opportunity for Israel.

He noted that both Hezbollah and Hamas, powerful branches of what he described as the "Iranian terrorist octopus," are now weakened, allowing Israel to act without fear of severe retaliation.

Bennett stated, "This is a unique window of opportunity that gives us both the legitimacy and the ability to hit them hard." He argued that while there will always be reasons to refrain from action, it is crucial to remember that as long as Iran remains operational, its affiliates can recover.

He emphasized the importance of striking at the core of the Iranian regime, advocating for a comprehensive approach rather than limited actions that merely send a message. "We cannot just strike Iranian military bases or take spectacular but limited actions," he said. "The time for messages is over."

Bennett urged for decisive measures against Iran's nuclear capabilities, stating, "We have the means to deliver a severe blow to the heart of the Iranian regime." He highlighted that the Iranian populace is calling for regime change, framing this moment as an opportunity for Israel to secure the future for its children and grandchildren.

"This is a unique opportunity," he concluded, urging for decisive action to undermine Iran's influence and capabilities.

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/isra...lls-for-action-against-iran-s-nuclear-program
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An attack on Iranian nuclear power plant would only push the region into a regional war.
 
jmdrake said:
Yeah. I'm seriously curious as to why you weren't considering you seemingly back Israel's current action. Real answer and not some ChatGPT generated crap. There's now more evidence that Oct 7 was a false flag than there is that 9/11 was a false flag.
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Oct 7 was also a Holiday, which could explain the lack of defenses. I don't know for certain to what extent any of that is true, whether they LIHOP, but I certainly am not denying the possibility.

The question is, if you found out some criminal was planning a home invasion and you turned off your home security system and waited by the door with a shot gun and shot them when they entered your house, is that a false flag? Could you be charged with a crime? Is that a moral action?

I don't think 9/11 was planned by Bin Laden, I think there was a lot of planning and pre-knowledge beforehand from intel agencies. I don't think the 9/11 hijackers flew the planes into the buildings, I think they were flown into buildings. I don't think the buildings came down on their own, I think there were pre-planted explosives. Now THAT'S a false flag. Letting down your guard and letting the enemy come in on their own accord and slaughtering hippies at a music festival and children and people in those villages, that's not exactly a false flag. You could call it a LIHOP, though. Is that a moral action? Do they want to keep living in terror forever, with rockets constantly flying over their cities? Or did they want to make it stop and this was how they chose to do it?
 
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dannno said:
Oct 7 was also a Holiday, which could explain the lack of defenses. I don't know for certain to what extent any of that is true, whether they LIHOP, but I certainly am not denying the possibility.

The question is, if you found out some criminal was planning a home invasion and you turned off your home security system and waited by the door with a shot gun and shot them when they entered your house, is that a false flag? Could you be charged with a crime? Is that a moral action?



I don't think 9/11 was planned by Bin Laden, I think there was a lot of planning and pre-knowledge beforehand from intel agencies. I don't think the 9/11 hijackers flew the planes into the buildings, I think they were flown into buildings. I don't think the buildings came down on their own, I think there were pre-planted explosives. Now THAT'S a false flag. Letting down your guard and letting the enemy come in on their own accord and slaughtering hippies at a music festival and children and people in those villages, that's not exactly a false flag. You could call it a LIHOP, though. Is that a moral action? Do they want to keep living in terror forever, with rockets constantly flying over their cities? Or did they want to make it stop and this was how they chose to do it?
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Do they want to keep living in terror forever, with rockets constantly flying over their cities? Or did they want to make it stop and this was how they chose to do it?
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You mean those Hamas rockets that are made with water filed based sources? if those rockets been lunched from Gaza were Iranian design. Israeli cities would have likely seen more damages compared to the Hamas water filed rockets.



The question is, if you found out some criminal was planning a home invasion and you turned off your home security system
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Israel has a expensive security defense on their border they can even find a cat climbing the wall as a example and your telling me for some reason on Oct 7 security decided to take a little nap?
 
dannno said:
Oct 7 was also a Holiday, which could explain the lack of defenses. I don't know for certain to what extent any of that is true, whether they LIHOP, but I certainly am not denying the possibility.
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Sorry but that's a weak ass excuse. It's not just that there was a "lack of defenses." DEFENSES WERE MOVED FROM GAZA TO THE WEST BANK!

https://www.timesofisrael.com/2-com...m-gaza-border-to-west-bank-days-before-oct-7/

Also Israel has long known that it can't relax on holidays. The "Yom Kippur" war is named that because it happened on the holiday for Yom Kippur.

The question is, if you found out some criminal was planning a home invasion and you turned off your home security system and waited by the door with a shot gun and shot them when they entered your house, is that a false flag? Could you be charged with a crime? Is that a moral action?
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What? That's a retarded analogy. Not even close to what happened. If you wanted to collect insurance on your wife, turned off the security system, then shot some of the criminals and shot your wife in the process, that would be a false flag. And there is evidence what happened on October 7th is exactly that. The security system was cut off and Israel enacted the Hannibal directive where they killed their own people.

See: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...-captive/00000190-89a2-d776-a3b1-fdbe45520000

I don't think 9/11 was planned by Bin Laden, I think there was a lot of planning and pre-knowledge beforehand from intel agencies. I don't think the 9/11 hijackers flew the planes into the buildings, I think they were flown into buildings. I don't think the buildings came down on their own, I think there were pre-planted explosives. Now THAT'S a false flag. Letting down your guard and letting the enemy come in on their own accord and slaughtering hippies at a music festival and children and people in those villages, that's not exactly a false flag. You could call it a LIHOP, though. Is that a moral action? Do they want to keep living in terror forever, with rockets constantly flying over their cities? Or did they want to make it stop and this was how they chose to do it?
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So you basically pretend that none of the facts we actually know about Oct 7, make up bvllshyt analogy and then claim Oct 7 is nothing like 9/11. Got it.

Edit: Please actually READ the links about the Hannibal Directive and Israeli security being moved AWAY from the border with Gaza before responding.
 
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jmdrake said:
The security system was cut off and Israel enacted the Hannibal directive where they killed their own people.

See: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...-captive/00000190-89a2-d776-a3b1-fdbe45520000
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How many?

And yes I'm aware of the evidence you presented.. I'm not convinced it was LIHOP, but I do agree there is circumstantial evidence. I've heard claims from your side that there were hundreds of casualties as a result of IDF actions, but there was only evidence of one or two, which were reported by Israel media.

I still think my analogy is fitting, in fact it swerves in your favor, because as far as I can tell, the only reason the security system went down was a power outage. But in the case of LIHOP, the analogy is the literal definition. You're now trying to push it further into a MIHOP where Israel significantly increased increased the amount of deaths, while simultaneously significantly reducing the number of hostages.

Do you realize there are still US hostages in Gaza?? It's been over a year.

Do you understand what happens if they don't deploy the Hannibal option? Don't they have to assume every vehicle they want to bomb is carrying a hostage? If they raid some guys with guns in a building with a hostage, does that mean they go in and start shooting rather than get a bullhorn out and start negotiating? This is war, they need to kill the terrorists and get on to the next group of terrorists so they can save lives.

I presume the number is pretty low anyway, and it probably ultimately helped save lives and reduce the number of hostages who may have a high likelihood of dying anyway.
 
dannno said:
How many?

And yes I'm aware of the evidence you presented.. I'm not convinced it was LIHOP, but I do agree there is circumstantial evidence. I've heard claims from your side that there were hundreds of casualties as a result of IDF actions, but there was only evidence of one or two, which were reported by Israel media.[/QOUTE]

FFS Haaretz is part of the Israeli media! Do you men "one or two which were reported by the IDF?" :rolleyes: Here's the Jerusalem Post.

Here's an interview with an actual Israeli air force commander confirming that it was a helluva lot more than "2 or 3."



I still think my analogy is fitting, in fact it swerves in your favor, because as far as I can tell, the only reason the security system went down was a power outage. But in the case of LIHOP, the analogy is the literal definition. You're now trying to push it further into a MIHOP where Israel significantly increased increased the amount of deaths, while simultaneously significantly reducing the number of hostages.
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Nope. Your analogy is complete bullshyt that you came up with for no other reason to distract from the actual facts on the ground.
Do you realize there are still US hostages in Gaza?? It's been over a year.

Do you understand what happens if they don't deploy the Hannibal option? Don't they have to assume every vehicle they want to bomb is carrying a hostage? If they raid some guys with guns in a building with a hostage, does that mean they go in and start shooting rather than get a bullhorn out and start negotiating? This is war, they need to kill the terrorists and get on to the next group of terrorists so they can save lives.
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This is a war that didn't need to happen. Netanyahu pulled resources away from Gaza. Some well placed machine gun nests could have taken out the Hamas paramotor troops. And blowing up houses with Israeli civilians is now acceptable losses in your eyes? That's more than just "two or three."

I presume the number is pretty low anyway, and it probably ultimately helped save lives and reduce the number of hostages who may have a high likelihood of dying anyway.
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You "presume" whatever you need to excuse the actions of Israel but you think 9/11 was an inside job and that chickens on a grill are cats and that the Sandy Hook victims could have been crisis actors and there really was a basement in the Comet Ping Pong Pizza building. However you need to warp reality to keep your own belief system in tact you'll do it. Got it.
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The US has discussed the idea of supporting Israel’s expected attack on Iran with intelligence or with airstrikes of its own, NBC News reported on Tuesday, citing two unnamed US officials.
The report said senior US military officials have discussed launching “very limited” airstrikes against Iranian targets inside Iran or outside of the country, though the US officials said intelligence support for Israel was more likely.
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The State Department said Tuesday that it doesn’t want to see a ceasefire in Lebanon and supports the heavy Israeli bombardment of the country to “degrade Hezbollah.”
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Gaza’s Health Ministry said Tuesday that Israeli forces killed at least 56 Palestinians and wounded another 278 in the previous 24-hour period as Israel continues to launch strikes across the Strip.
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The Syrian Defense Ministry has reported that Israel carried out an attack on an apartment building in the residential neighborhood of Mazzeh in the capital city of Damascus. At least seven civilians, including women and a child, were killed in the attack. They warn the death toll is preliminary and they are still looking for survivors in the rubble.
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Israeli forces on Monday beat to death a renowned 66-year-old Palestinian activist after raiding his home in the occupied West Bank.

Ziad Abu Helaiel was a popular tribal figure in the West Bank, famous for peacefully confronting Israeli soldiers during demonstrations and standing between them and protesters.
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Israel drops 'depleted uranium bombs' inside Beirut: Official
Radioactive dust emitted by depleted uranium munitions has been linked to rises in cancer and congenital defects in babies following the US bombing of Iraq
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Spending Spree: US Budget Deficit Soars to $1.8 Trillion Amid America’s Military Expenditure
 
Snowball said:
The US has discussed the idea of supporting Israel’s expected attack on Iran with intelligence or with airstrikes of its own, NBC News reported on Tuesday, citing two unnamed US officials.
The report said senior US military officials have discussed launching “very limited” airstrikes against Iranian targets inside Iran or outside of the country, though the US officials said intelligence support for Israel was more likely.
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The State Department said Tuesday that it doesn’t want to see a ceasefire in Lebanon and supports the heavy Israeli bombardment of the country to “degrade Hezbollah.”
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Gaza’s Health Ministry said Tuesday that Israeli forces killed at least 56 Palestinians and wounded another 278 in the previous 24-hour period as Israel continues to launch strikes across the Strip.
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The Syrian Defense Ministry has reported that Israel carried out an attack on an apartment building in the residential neighborhood of Mazzeh in the capital city of Damascus. At least seven civilians, including women and a child, were killed in the attack. They warn the death toll is preliminary and they are still looking for survivors in the rubble.
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Israeli forces on Monday beat to death a renowned 66-year-old Palestinian activist after raiding his home in the occupied West Bank.

Ziad Abu Helaiel was a popular tribal figure in the West Bank, famous for peacefully confronting Israeli soldiers during demonstrations and standing between them and protesters.
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Israel drops 'depleted uranium bombs' inside Beirut: Official
Radioactive dust emitted by depleted uranium munitions has been linked to rises in cancer and congenital defects in babies following the US bombing of Iraq
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Spending Spree: US Budget Deficit Soars to $1.8 Trillion Amid America’s Military Expenditure
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The State Department said Tuesday that it doesn’t want to see a ceasefire in Lebanon and supports the heavy Israeli bombardment of the country to “degrade Hezbollah.”
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I see the Cuck Department has learned nothing from Afghanistan..
Or 1982 they are just doubling down.
Spending Spree: US Budget Deficit Soars to $1.8 Trillion Amid America’s Military Expenditure
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Lets call it the Israeli Military Expenditure...
 
dannno said:
How many did he say?
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He didn't give an exact number. What he confirmed is that the Hannibal Directive was given while "thousands" of people, according to him, where traveling aross the border in Hamas vehicles. Some of those vehicles were destroyed by Israeli attack helicopters. So simple logic means that a helluva lot more than 2 or 3. Where did you get your 2 or 3 number from?
 
So now instated of the MEK the US govt and Israelis are pushing back in the crown prince puppet...
Iran’s “Crown Prince” Pahlavi Reza


They are pushing for regime change in Iran..
Without even asking the Iranian people.

Democracy huh?

https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1844075019837853913
 
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BREAKING! PENTAGON SENDING US FORCES TO MID-EAST AS ISRAEL POUNDS LEBANON

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7:11 "going up the escalation ladder, becuase Israel doesn't have any alternatives domestically because of its politics."

Even this sentiment I feel is perhaps a bit naive.

If I want to take out the middle east, what do I need? Well, as an invading force I need the moral high ground. How do I achieve that? Well, I need some victims.

"Zionism" is a great excuse. Perpetual victim, chosen by God. All we need to do is spill settler blood. How do we do that? Well, we keep killing babies until we get a reaction.

So, I don't buy that the escalation is do to lack of choice. I think the whole point of settlers is to create and justify the escalation ladder. The settlers purpose is to die for greater Israel. Always has been.
 
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