Islamic State fighters: "We will drown all of you in blood.''

[Danke]

There's more of us brown people, than there are you Americans.

Silly threats like this, is why those towers are down. Keep playing cowboy until you go down like Rome did.

I thought you were an America?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

This situation seems ripe for Marque and Reprisal. If I were POTUS, I would deploy priority intelligence against the threat, once we have stopped a few live attacks (if they choose to make them), then draw up and make a case before Congress for Marque and Reprisal to eradicate their entire network, surgically. As in knives over guns, and make a bounty chart for private militia and private bounty orgs to collect up the network and bring them to our Marines alive or dead in exchange for cash payment of six to seven figure bounties each value depending. Run it like a well defended business with a mobile and hidden HQ. We support and pay the locals on the ground bringing us high value network associates.

Completely absorb the network creating the attacks, and only that network. Just vanish all of them in as quick a period as possible using local assets and international private militia (privateers) and then leave, preferably leaving as little if any trace of your presence ever having been. Take the network out as clean as possible and go home.

A subcontinental size operation would likely be just one platoon of MARSOC, maybe augmented with one squad each of Army SOF, Navy SOF, Air Force SOF or second Navy SOF element (depending on mission), a heavy Intell detachment operating hand in hand with CIA assets on the ground, and a heavy command element containing (probably) a Lt Col Accountant, in charge of the M&R accounts and disbursements. Payouts for captured or killed targets. It would have to be commanded by the Marines or Navy (therefore MARSOC being the primary, Could possibly also be SEAL operated Constitutionally...) for Constitutional reasons in situations short of a Declaration of War. Marque and such always go through Navy Branches for a reason.

The point being, if it is a legitimate threat, focus all those googlebillion dollar intelligence assets on the threat as necessary to intercept a live threat, if the live attacks do materialize, then make the case for terror-piracy and cut half a billion to a drawing account for a certain LtCol paying bounties for (preferably) living members of a terror network.

When we refuse to make their propaganda for them, there is less blowback. If a group actively attacking the US just kinda disappears leaving vacuum behind, well, it makes a hell of a lot less blowback.

 

[Muwahid]

I thought you were an America?

I am. But if America felt it necessary to wipe my people out, I'd never call myself American again.

You can only imagine the identity crisis of Arab Americans in a post 9/11 world.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I am. But if America felt it necessary to wipe my people out, I'd never call myself American again.

You can only imagine the identity crisis of Arab Americans in a post 9/11 world.

And yet if (hypothetically) there were some active group like ISIS who were actively doing attacks on the US, I don't imagine you would feel much remorse if they and they alone were silently removed from operation basically worldwide. I said from the start that oh-bomb-ya's bombing campaign was the worst thing they could possibly do to 'protect' those Christians. What we are doing is wrong, however a right way DOES exist to deal with legitimate threats. Just because the US created and cultivated the threat, does not mean that we can roll over and passively allow our throats to be slit when the blowback comes calling. Unfortunately, my faith in this government to do the right thing is somewhere between nil and zero.

 

[phill4paul]

I am. But if America felt it necessary to wipe my people out, I'd never call myself American again.

You can only imagine the identity crisis of Arab Americans in a post 9/11 world.

I don't label myself an AmeriKan as things stand. Hope I don't get caught in the crossfire.

Do you consider IS to be "your people?"

 

[thoughtomator]

Does anyone know if we stopped running weapons to ISIS in Syria? Indications are we're still doing that... talk about a FUBAR policy.

 

[Muwahid]

And yet if (hypothetically) there were some active group like ISIS who were actively doing attacks on the US, I don't imagine you would feel much remorse if they and they alone were silently removed from operation basically worldwide. I said from the start that oh-bomb-ya's bombing campaign was the worst thing they could possibly do to 'protect' those Christians. What we are doing is wrong, however a right way DOES exist to deal with legitimate threats. Just because the US created and cultivated the threat, does not mean that we can roll over and passively allow our throats to be slit when the blowback comes calling. Unfortunately, my faith in this government to do the right thing is somewhere between nil and zero.

I believe everyone has the right to self-defense whether American, Arab, or whoever.

The issue here is America instigated the problem, and now everyones coming to the conclusion "now we have to get rid of them!", theres no such thing as getting rid of IS without a huge amount of collateral damage (which will just create a new IS later down the road from blowback).

Not to sound like an advocate of IS, but the man who murdered Foley said the life of the next American rests on the decision of Obama, meaning if you attack us again, we'll kill more Americans. But the stubbornness and bravado of Americans cannot accept that, and they will at the risk of their own people, will try to "punish IS". Clearly if given the option, IS will choose not to engage the US in a fight, so if the US halts military operations IS is likely to go back to fighting within the Iraqi and Syrian borders.

 

[klamath]

I am. But if America felt it necessary to wipe my people out, I'd never call myself American again.

You can only imagine the identity crisis of Arab Americans in a post 9/11 world.

In other words you reacted emotionally to someone saying to kill Muslims in mass with no regard to innocence or guilt yet you fail to see how some Americans reacted emotionally when an isis spokesperson said they were going to kill all Americans?

 

[Natural Citizen]

In other words you reacted emotionally to someone saying to kill Muslims in mass with no regard to innocence or guilt yet you fail to see how some Americans reacted emotionally when an isis spokesperson said they were going to kill all Americans? muslim .

There you go. That's what I was looking for. This was really all that I was trying to demonstrate here in my series of postings. Very good, klamath.

Now, let me ask this. Do you think for one second that the same model of "education" that I recieved here after my comments will come from those who surround the man who claims to drown us all in blood? Now, that is a general question. You don't have to answer it.

 

[Natural Citizen]

US Central Command has released footage which it says shows two recent airstrikes on militants in Iraq. It said on Friday that it conducted three airstrikes on Monday around the Mosul Dam. The airstrikes "destroyed two IS (Islamic State, former known as ISIS) armed vehicles and a machine gun emplacement that was firing on Iraqi forces," Centcom said in a statement. The US has launched airstrikes this month to support Iraqi and Kurdish forces looking to reclaim territory seized by the Islamic State group.

 

[TaftFan]

The power vacuum is our fault...but is there any evidence ISIS exists due to blowback? Their primary objective is to establish a caliphate.

 

[pcosmar]

This situation seems ripe for Marque and Reprisal.

There are 100,000 well armed (with US weapons)..

why don't you get a team together and get em. /sarc


seriously,, This is a created "problem" and it was created for a purpose.

You don't seriously think those central planners that created it want to stop it when it is doing exactly what was intended do you?

 

[Natural Citizen]

The power vacuum is our fault...but is there any evidence ISIS exists due to blowback? Their primary objective is to establish a caliphate.

Perhaps. Perhaps not. Would be subjective, I think, but debatable. I try to avoid moral platforms for these kinds of debates which ultimately keep me out of them all together.

 

[pcosmar]

The power vacuum is our fault...but is there any evidence ISIS exists due to blowback? Their primary objective is to establish a caliphate.

No,, it is not blow-back. (though some targets might be)
It is an intentionally armed and recruited force,, to destabilize the region.

Did anyone seriously believe that the arms (we supplied), and fighters (we recruited) were going to stay in Syria?

is anyone (except the voters) really that fucking stupid?

 

[Natural Citizen]

Couple of views that could be placed into perspective with what taft was saying...

 

[GunnyFreedom]

There are 100,000 well armed (with US weapons)..

why don't you get a team together and get em. /sarc


seriously,, This is a created "problem" and it was created for a purpose.

You don't seriously think those central planners that created it want to stop it when it is doing exactly what was intended do you?

Whether by intent or incompetence, I don't imagine anybody here believes that this government will do right in any way, shape, or form. It was simply a description of a valid Constitutional response to live and active terroristic threats.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I believe everyone has the right to self-defense whether American, Arab, or whoever.

The issue here is America instigated the problem, and now everyones coming to the conclusion "now we have to get rid of them!", theres no such thing as getting rid of IS without a huge amount of collateral damage (which will just create a new IS later down the road from blowback).

Not to sound like an advocate of IS, but the man who murdered Foley said the life of the next American rests on the decision of Obama, meaning if you attack us again, we'll kill more Americans. But the stubbornness and bravado of Americans cannot accept that, and they will at the risk of their own people, will try to "punish IS". Clearly if given the option, IS will choose not to engage the US in a fight, so if the US halts military operations IS is likely to go back to fighting within the Iraqi and Syrian borders.

Aye, I too am disgusted with the "we made them mad, now we have to kill them all" mentality. If we had acted right from the start, we wouldn't be in this position. But they also have a point, now that we are in this position, what exactly do we do? We can't exactly roll over and let it happen. We can leave the middle east the hell alone, watch the boiling pot with every eye, and hold Marque and Reprisal in reserve should someone aggress against us.

As a matter of the Law of Nations, murder is a legitimate crime, and those who have done murder of US Citizens may be pursued in the appropriate channels of international justice; or, should the violence escalate, via Marque and reprisal.

 

[pcosmar]

It was simply a description of a valid Constitutional response to live and active terroristic threats.

LoL..

Some bubba with a 12 pack in him talking about what he would like to do with Obama has about as much credibility,, as far as threats go.

 

[69360]

LoL..

Some bubba with a 12 pack in him talking about what he would like to do with Obama has about as much credibility,, as far as threats go.

Joe 6 pack might have a shotgun, maybe even an AR-15 if he's lucky and 50k in the bank.

IS has heavy weapons, anti-aircraft missles and maybe even some of Syria's loose chemical weapons with 2 billion in cash to travel where ever they please including over our admittedly unsecured borders.

IS has credibility behind their threats.

Nobody in their right mind thinks they could invade the US, but they could certainly launch a terrorist attack if they pleased.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Nobody in their right mind thinks they could invade the US, but they could certainly launch a terrorist attack if they pleased.

Which goes back to what Deborah was saying a page or so yonder.