Islamic extremist kills 50 at Orlando gay nightclub

[euphemia]

That also includes refraining from pulling the religion card.

I'm not playing it. It is a tragedy for the victims and their families. A lot of people were hurt and killed. It is a great loss. We have been out of town most of the week. What a way to reopen the news cycle.

 

[69360]

You do know that not all gay men are effeminate and some have even served combat tours in, well, every war America has been in?

Of course I do. I have nothing against gay men, it's none of my business.

If you look at the crowd in pictures, they do not appear to be hardened combat veterans.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Islamic US citizen or immigrant?

Shooter was born in New York and moved to Florida.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Nobody remembers where they are born..

You don't remember where you were born?

 

[Ender]

You do know that not all gay men are effeminate and some have even served combat tours in, well, every war America has been in?

Yep.

Knew a few gays in my martial arts training- they were nothing like what many think gays are like- totally mean and masculine in battle.

 

[susano]

The only good news is that more and more regular people are waking up. I was just on youtube reading the comments sections, and even on "mainstream" channels like ABC, AP, etc, you can see in the comments that lots of people are not buying it, and are openly expressing that.

This one, in particular, promotes 3 of their big agendas. Fear of Radical Islam, LGBT, and of course the biggest one, the anti-2A agenda. A 3-for-one, how very convenient.

Good to hear! I get overwhelmed every time they pull one of these and can't keep up, nor I do I have the time.

I guess it should have been a "people of color" gay club and they could have ticked another box.

Isn't it scary how most people just believe whatever the news says? No "prove it" default setting. I'm relieved you saw those types of comments.

 

[TheTexan]

Yeah, if they storm the place, that is exactly what they do.

If you are unsure of who the hostile is, all people inside are now hostile.

That ensures officer safety.

"Drop 'em all and let God sort 'em out".

It looks like all the brave Officers are OK. Surely, it was due to the Miracle and Grace of God and their extensive training, that they made it out alive.

 

[jonhowe]

How many people did the police shoot..?

How many hostages were killed by police? How many wounded were hit by police fire?

until proven otherwise,, I am inclined to believe all of them are victims of Police Fire.

Actually, shots were fired outside of the club first. An off duty cop acting as a security guard and two on-duty officers fired at the shooter chasing him into the club.

It then took SWAT over three hours to get their $#@! together before they entered. Heroes, every last one of them.

That changes nothing from my post. The standoff with the swat team came HOURS after many shots were fired, deliberately and at close range, by the alleged perpetrator.

 

[69360]

Everyone has a survival instinct and their are lots of gay men who buffed out he-men types.

I don't believe this was that type of gay bar. It looked mostly like skinny kids in their early 20's.

I have nothing against gays. I'm not offended at all by them and don't dislike them. I really don't care honestly. I'm just trying to explain how this could happen. These kids probably came up in a public school system where they were taught to hide from shooters, not stop them.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Actually, shots were fired outside of the club first. An off duty cop acting as a security guard and two on-duty officers fired at the shooter chasing him into the club.

It then took SWAT over three hours to get their $#@! together before they entered. Heroes, every last one of them.

I had missed the part about shooting starting outside and him then running inside. That is important. Thanks for pointing that out.

Sunday, 2:02 a.m. ET: Shooting erupts at Pulse, a gay nightclub in the heart of Orlando, as some 320 people enjoy the club's "Latin flavor" event.

An officer working extra duty in full uniform at the club responds.

He and two officers nearby open fire on the shooter, and a gun battle ensues.

The shooter goes inside the club, where a hostage situation develops.

Some 100 officers from the Orange County Sheriff's Office and the Orlando Police Department respond to the chaotic scene.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/12/us/orlando-shooting-timeline/

Another source describes him as going BACK inside after the incident with the two cops.

http://www.stltoday.com/online/map-...tml_edf2714d-20d1-575a-8f1e-20bc19cf8fee.html

 

[69360]

Good to hear! I get overwhelmed every time they pull one of these and can't keep up, nor I do I have the time.

I guess it should have been a "people of color" gay club and they could have ticked another box.

Isn't it scary how most people just believe whatever the news says? No "prove it" default setting. I'm relieved you saw those types of comments.

It was apparently "latin night"

 

[TheTexan]

Yeah, if they storm the place, that is exactly what they do.

If you are unsure of who the hostile is, all people inside are now hostile.

That ensures officer safety.

"Drop 'em all and let God sort 'em out".

Well, whatever or however they're doing it's working very well. There weren't any Officers killed (or even injured I believe) at the biker Waco shootout either.

Truly - a miracle.

 

[Ronin Truth]

So I guess probably none of the victims or bystanders were armed.

Is Florida a CC state?

I know it has "Stand Your Ground".

 

[susano]

I'm not playing it. It is a tragedy for the victims and their families. A lot of people were hurt and killed. It is a great loss. We have been out of town most of the week. What a way to reopen the news cycle.

How do you know that?

 

[phill4paul]

That changes nothing from my post. The standoff with the swat team came HOURS after many shots were fired, deliberately and at close range, by the alleged perpetrator.

So the shootings continued over the 3 hrs. and the cops just stood around and listened to it while it was going on? I dunno. I honestly haven't read many victims accounts. Have read one in which those inside were trying to get out and told by someone on the other side of the door to stay in. I suppose more info will be forthcoming as some of the victims stabilize.

 

[TheTexan]

How do you know that?

Good point, this may be completely faked, like the moon landing

 

[phill4paul]

So I guess probably none of the victims or bystanders were armed.

Is Florida a CC state?

I know it has "Stand Your Ground".

As AF has pointed out, you cannot CC in an establishment that serves alcohol in FL.

 

[susano]

My suggestion is that people start from the standpoint of "prove it". Because the news says, isn't proof. Dig deep.

Who owns the bar?

 

[dannno]

You don't remember where you were born?

Not personally, I know what I was told when I got older and I know what that piece of paper says with my name on it.

 

[susano]

Good point, this may be completely faked, like the moon landing

Or

Virginia Tech
Sandy Hook
San Bernardino
both Paris events
Brussels airport
South Carolina church
Santa Barbara drama
The reporter and camera man wherever that was



Too many to count.