Islamic extremist kills 50 at Orlando gay nightclub

[acptulsa]

ISIS has taken credit for this mass shooting.

Yes, but what are the credible sources saying?

 

[euphemia]

How many people were killed by the police?

Yeah, keep on asking this. Ignore this tragedy for the victims and their families.

 

[Ender]

Yeah, keep on asking this. Ignore this tragedy for the victims and their families.

That also includes refraining from pulling the religion card.

 

[pcosmar]

Yeah, keep on asking this. Ignore this tragedy for the victims and their families.

Not ignoring it.

How many.. Did the police shoot all these people for a False Headline?

Perhaps.
But it is not about an American raised in a Muslim home with no more religious extremism than half the pew sitters in ant Christian church.
And a responsible position as an armed officer .
Nor is it about the Gay community in Florida. Little Havana is there and is as Conservative as America gets. And those are some well armed boys.

Now,,
Why did the police shoot up a Gay bar??

 

[acptulsa]

Yeah, keep on asking this. Ignore this tragedy for the victims and their families.

Helping them achieve justice is no disservice to them.

That also includes refraining from pulling the religion card.

Depends on your double standard, I suppose. Careful, you might get called Miss Congeniality too.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Dang. Didn't some pop singer just get killed in a similar environment, too? Hm. Scwewy.

 

[Zippyjuan]

This was the fourth mass shooting (defined as at least four victims) in Orlando THIS YEAR.

 

[jonhowe]

How many victims were shot by police?

I am thinking most..

but that is the real story.

Citation required.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Not ignoring it.

How many.. Did the police shoot all these people for a False Headline?

Perhaps.
But it is not about an American raised in a Muslim home with no more religious extremism than half the pew sitters in ant Christian church.
And a responsible position as an armed officer .
Nor is it about the Gay community in Florida. Little Havana is there and is as Conservative as America gets. And those are some well armed boys.

Now,,
Why did the police shoot up a Gay bar??

What is your evidence that only the police shot anybody? Is that "just what police do"- walk into a bar and start shooting everybody? If the guy with the guns was just hanging out at the bar, why did they wait three hours before going in themselves?

 

[acptulsa]

What is your evidence that only the police shot anybody? Is that "just what police do"- walk into a bar and start shooting everybody?

He never said he had any. But there certainly is evidence the police shot somebody besides the alleged Lone Gunman.

Indeed, they seem to have already admitted to shooting each other.

 

[pcosmar]

What is your evidence that only the police shot anybody?

Did not say only..

Said most.. and perhaps all. Though it is possible that he killed or wounded some before engaging is hours long gun battle with police.

How may rounds expended by police?

How many by the "shooter"..? who actually hit what?


it is the part called "Investigation" as opposed to "story telling".

I don't believe their quickly concocted story,,and believe it should be investigated.

 

[jonhowe]

How many people did the police shoot..?

How many hostages were killed by police? How many wounded were hit by police fire?

until proven otherwise,, I am inclined to believe all of them are victims of Police Fire.

NONE from the guy shooting point blank into a crowded club? OK buddy.


I'm sure some were hit by the police, but this is not on them. This time.

 

[susano]

Haven't read this thread, yet. Have heard very little TV. Heard, while listening to Coast to Coast, last night and it was some witness saying a couple of people shot. Hmm. I'll have to sign up to hear their archives so I can hear what was said, again.

Just popped into say I have a default setting on things like this. Most people's default setting is to believe whatever the news tells them. Mine is prove to me it's true. As usual, this one ticks all the boxes: Legally obtained weapons by an insane perp; LGBTQ as victims; must have gun control; LGBTQ people on news talking about love (aren't they just so great!); haters gonna get guns (just heard that).

THIS IS BULLSH/T!

Some gay on TV right now talking about legislation (North Carolina!!!) that makes it okay to HATE LGBTQ people. LGBTQ community "traumatized" by by so much hate, hate, hate. Talking about right wingers, Planned Parenthood, poverty and other leftie talking points and reminding us we need more immigration and Muslims good. When people have just been through a horrible crime, they always talk about legislation, immigration and love, right? It's FAKE.

Anyone buying this?

One guy shoots over 100 people and nobody jumped him? Yeah, right.

I say a bunch of Obot ***** just got new identities, a deposit to some bank account and free relocation to their gay mecca of choice. Just like Charb from Charlie Hebdo.

It's been non stop mass shootings with Obama in office. Bloomberg said he was spending 50 million to fight gun rights. I believe he was involved in the Sandy Hook hoax.

Anyone here ever taken the time to go through material from other mass shootings? I mean the videos, witness interviews and the like? It takes a ton of time. Very few will ever do it.

 

[Natural Citizen]

This was the fourth mass shooting (defined as at least four victims) in Orlando THIS YEAR.

Help me to better understand the nature of this statistic, Zip. You lost me here, man. Is there a particular argument that you want to make that may be derived from some other adverse consequences or something? A lot of times people do tend to misunderstand the very nature of statistics whenever particular statistics are offered or inserted into the terms of controversy. I don't want to misunderstand the nature of this one that you mention here. So, yeah. Help me out. Why did you insert this statistic? What argument are you offering here by mentioning that? Or what it just a random thought? Thanks.

 

[pcosmar]

NONE from the guy shooting point blank into a crowded club? OK buddy.


I'm sure some were hit by the police, but this is not on them. This time.

Yes it is..

I have no idea of the real story.. but it is clearly not the one being presented.

The guy was no Radical or extremest as is being pushed.
He had ties to Law Enforcement.

I have no idea what he thought he was doing there,, I suspect he was manipulated into such.

There is nothing clear here. Except one thing. Police response was to shoot into a building full of innocent victims.

 

[Anti Federalist]

What is your evidence that only the police shot anybody? Is that "just what police do"- walk into a bar and start shooting everybody? If the guy with the guns was just hanging out at the bar, why did they wait three hours before going in themselves?

Yeah, if they storm the place, that is exactly what they do.

If you are unsure of who the hostile is, all people inside are now hostile.

That ensures officer safety.

"Drop 'em all and let God sort 'em out".

 

[Zippyjuan]

Did not say only..

Said most.. and perhaps all. Though it is possible that he killed or wounded some before engaging is hours long gun battle with police.

How may rounds expended by police?

How many by the "shooter"..? who actually hit what?


it is the part called "Investigation" as opposed to "story telling".

I don't believe their quickly concocted story,,and believe it should be investigated.

Mm. Okay.

until proven otherwise,, I am inclined to believe all of them are victims of Police Fire.

I concede that some may have been "collateral damage" by cops during the shootout but there were a lot already shot and injured or killed before that started at 5:00 am (the shooter went in at 2:00 am).

 

[susano]

Brian Williams just said this was one of the few "safe places" for gays in Orlando.

I also heard Geraldo questioning FBI guy who said the perp had been under investigation for terrorist whatever and a link to an American suicide bomber. Gerlado asked how he was able to legally obtian the the guns, then, and FBI guy said, "Because the investigation was over".

Not buying it. It's another staged drama to advance leftist political agendas.

 

[jonhowe]

How many people did the police shoot..?

How many hostages were killed by police? How many wounded were hit by police fire?

until proven otherwise,, I am inclined to believe all of them are victims of Police Fire.

Yes it is..

I have no idea of the real story.. but it is clearly not the one being presented.

The guy was no Radical or extremest as is being pushed.
He had ties to Law Enforcement.

I have no idea what he thought he was doing there,, I suspect he was manipulated into such.

There is nothing clear here. Except one thing. Police response was to shoot into a building full of innocent victims.

Source? There was a 3 hour standoff by all accounts. Witnesses report seeing many bodies and losing friends in the initial shooting, well before police arrived or were called. You saying that the police most likely killed everyone flies in the face of all the evidence. Speculating they may have caught some in the crossfire is reasonable, but that's not what you're doing.

It's one thing to say the story is being manipulated or made up, it's another to then just make up your own story in response which fits with none of the witness reports

 

[Ender]

Mm. Okay.



I concede that some may have been "collateral damage" by cops during the shootout but there were a lot already shot and injured or killed before that started at 5:00 am (the shooter went in at 2:00 am).

On LE's Thread you posted this, Zip:

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/ne...ghtclub/nrfJF/

“Everybody dropped to the floor. We were trying to look for an exit. But the main exit was right next to the entrance where the shooter was shooting,’’ he said.

“In a moment of desperation we were all crawling on the floor trying to find a place to exit. I looked to my right and I could see people going through some curtains. We were digging through the curtains and found a door.’’

But he said the door was blocked by a man. He wasn’t sure if it was a club security person or an accomplice to the gunmen.

“Fifty people were trying to jump over each other trying to exit the place. There was a guy holding the door and not letting us exit. He’s like ‘Stay inside, stay inside.’ As he is saying that, the shooter keeps getting closer and closer and the sound of the bullets is getting closer. Everyone starts to panic. People are getting trampled. Let us out, let us out!’’’

Gonzalez’ first thought was that it was a hate crime. “This guy is trying to prevent us from leaving. Maybe they’re working together,’’ he said.

Gonzalez said he feel lucky because he hung out on the left side of the club, while the gunman concentrated fire on the right side.

“When you enter the club, there’s a right wing and a left wing. The shooter entered and went straight to the right. He never came to the left (side), which is the hiphop room where the majority of my friends were. Everybody in the right (wing) room got injured.’’

Who was the dude holding the door shut? Very interesting.....