Islamic extremist kills 50 at Orlando gay nightclub

[susano]

There's a federal statute about after a crime has been committed (called "misprision" or something like that) but I don't know about prior to one possibly being committed (thought crime). The statute makes anyone who knows about about the commission of a crime (felony, maybe) and doesn't report it, a target for prosecution.

It's only because government cannot be trusted that I see this as dangerous. I would hope that anyone knowing of a real crime where anyone is going to be harmed would try to prevent it.

 

[dannno]

What do you suggest? Killing her and her family--even though they were divorced--as a way to deter other terrorists from committing acts of terror as Molyneux and Trump suggest?

That's not what I have heard anybody suggest...

The suggestion is that there may be some complicity, it would go through the courts, a Judge and jury would decide if they were guilty and if so they would get a sentence. It might not even be a life sentence.

I mean, think about it, a guy drives another guy to a store and the second guy shoots somebody. The first guy can be charged with murder even though he didn't fire the gun - he might not have even known anything like that was going to happen, but he can still be prosecuted. In most cases he will get a reduced sentence compared to the actual killer, IF the jury decides to convict him based on the evidence. I would see this along similar lines.

Are you sure killing ex wives is a deterrent?

Who said the word "kill"?

What it should do is hold people who know that somebody is going to commit a grievous act responsible to report it in order to stop them from going through with it. How many more bank robberies and store robberies would there be if the get-away driver wasn't prosecuted? You would have a lot more people willing to be get-away drivers.

Have you reported everyone you ever heard threaten to kill someone in your whole life?

Yes, but it couldn't be proven in a court of law and there is no proof that I thought they would actually carry it out. This is why there are juries, they get to decide if the person had the responsibility to report it.

 

[dannno]

I think I'd only resort to talking to the goons if I saw someone with weapons in hand and intention to kill...

If someone knows a person has weapons, knows their intention to kill people and has strong reason to believe they are serious, should they have any responsibility if the murders occur?

 

[tod evans]

She could have stopped over 50 people from being murdered and she didn't. You don't think there should be any repercussions for that?

This argument is absolutely insane.

The only 'proof' of this assertion comes from government agents and "Teh-Newz".

No sane person is ever going to volunteer that they hold culpability for the acts of another and anybody who advocates for government to have the power to assign that culpability is an enemy of freedom and liberty not to mention justice.

Don't buy into this BS because of some slick talkin' snake-oil salesman...........

 

[acptulsa]

Who said the word "kill"?

Did Trump not use the word? Did Moluneux not use the word?

Do you realize you're advocating thought police?

 

[dannno]

This argument is absolutely insane.

The only 'proof' of this assertion comes from government agents and "Teh-Newz".

Well then it wouldn't hold up in court, would it? So there's no problem?

No sane person is ever going to volunteer that they hold culpability for the acts of another and anybody who advocates for government to have the power to assign that culpability is an enemy of freedom and liberty not to mention justice.

Don't buy into this BS because of some slick talkin' snake-oil salesman...........

This is a difficult issue, but ultimately if somebody gets mad, grabs a gun or some bombs and walks out of the house saying, "I'm going to go to ____ and blow it up and kill everybody" and there are witnesses, and the witnesses have an opportunity to stop it from happening and they don't - you don't think they have any culpability? I'm not giving any indication on what the punishment should be or whether they should be charged with murder, I'm just saying that if there is enough proof that they could have stopped it they may be able to be liable for something.

What are your thoughts on the get-away driver being charged with murder in a bank robbery?

 

[dannno]

Did Trump not use the word? Did Moluneux not use the word?

No, actually Molyneux did an entire presentation about how Donald Trump did not use, nor mean, that word. Clearly you still haven't watched it.

Do you realize you're advocating thought police?

This isn't thought police stuff - just because somebody overheard something doesn't make them liable - they would have to have a very good expectation that it would be carried out, they would have to have a good opportunity to stop it from happening and all of this would have to be proven in court beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[susano]

This argument is absolutely insane.

The only 'proof' of this assertion comes from government agents and "Teh-Newz".

No sane person is ever going to volunteer that they hold culpability for the acts of another and anybody who advocates for government to have the power to assign that culpability is an enemy of freedom and liberty not to mention justice.

Don't buy into this BS because of some slick talkin' snake-oil salesman...........

Which makes this story all the more suspect.

 

[dannno]

This argument is absolutely insane.

The only 'proof' of this assertion comes from government agents and "Teh-Newz".

No sane person is ever going to volunteer that they hold culpability for the acts of another and anybody who advocates for government to have the power to assign that culpability is an enemy of freedom and liberty not to mention justice.

Don't buy into this BS because of some slick talkin' snake-oil salesman...........

The sister of the Orlando shooter bought his house for $10 a couple months before the attack.

On that evidence alone, you couldn't convict.

But let's say he went up to his sister and was like, "Hey, I'm going to commit a terrorist attack in the name of ISIS in the next couple of months. I won't be around anymore so I am going to sell you my house for $10 before I go kill a few dozen people."

Let's say you could prove in court that she knew two months before hand that he was planning on committing this attack, had good reason to believe he had the ability to do it and was actually going to commit it - and on top of that she benefits from it by getting a house for $10.

No culpability?

 

[lilymc]

Can you guys please go to this video that's trending right now and vote it down (if you don't like it) and educate these anti-RKBA people in the comments section? They are doing exactly what they've been manipulated to do: cry out for "gun control" based on emotion and fear and misguided ideas.



Thanks!!!

 

[tod evans]

Well then it wouldn't hold up in court, would it? So there's no problem?

The problem is 95% of people charged never see a jury so you're advocating for government to be able imprison anybody they choose willy-nilly and that's a gigantic problem. In fact it's so much of a problem already that I personally have no problem with publically eviscerating every prosecuting attorney in the country for what they've already done.

What are your thoughts on the get-away driver being charged with murder in a bank robbery?

I do not support charges that punish for the crimes of another, not now not ever.

 

[Ender]

The sister of the Orlando shooter bought his house for $10 a couple months before the attack.

On that evidence alone, you couldn't convict.

But let's say he went up to his sister and was like, "Hey, I'm going to commit a terrorist attack in the name of ISIS in the next couple of months. I won't be around anymore so I am going to sell you my house for $10 before I go kill a few dozen people."

Let's say you could prove in court that she knew two months before hand that he was planning on committing this attack, had good reason to believe he had the ability to do it and was actually going to commit it - and on top of that she benefits from it by getting a house for $10.

No culpability?

You believe everything everybody says to you danno? 99.9% of what comes out of people's mouths are prevarications. If you called the cops every time someone said something that sounded the slightest bit off, we'd soon be completely swallowed up by The Thought Police.

Welcome to Minority Report.

 

[susano]

The sister of the Orlando shooter bought his house for $10 a couple months before the attack.

On that evidence alone, you couldn't convict.

But let's say he went up to his sister and was like, "Hey, I'm going to commit a terrorist attack in the name of ISIS in the next couple of months. I won't be around anymore so I am going to sell you my house for $10 before I go kill a few dozen people."

Let's say you could prove in court that she knew two months before hand that he was planning on committing this attack, had good reason to believe he had the ability to do it and was actually going to commit it - and on top of that she benefits from it by getting a house for $10.

No culpability?

Did he really sell his house to his sister for 10.00?

 

[dannno]

Did he really sell his house to his sister for 10.00?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...mysterious-second-wife-knew-his-plans-may-be-

 

[Danke]

Can you guys please go to this video that's trending right now and vote it down (if you don't like it) and educate these anti-RKBA people in the comments section? They are doing exactly what they've been manipulated to do: cry out for "gun control" based on emotion and fear and misguided ideas.



Thanks!!!

That hotel room minibar should have been locked.

 

[susano]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...mysterious-second-wife-knew-his-plans-may-be-

Hmm.

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

Can you guys please go to this video that's trending right now and vote it down (if you don't like it) and educate these anti-RKBA people in the comments section? They are doing exactly what they've been manipulated to do: cry out for "gun control" based on emotion and fear and misguided ideas.



Thanks!!!

Ok, I posted. Don't know if it will last or if it will be deleted...

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...mysterious-second-wife-knew-his-plans-may-be-

Of course none of these stories are jiving. The wife says she drove him to the club so he could visit it before the attack and yet regulars at the club say he came there often. Which was it??

I believe about 10% of what the media tells me the problem is trying to figure out WHICH 10%...

 

[dannno]

Of course none of these stories are jiving. The wife says she drove him to the club so he could visit it before the attack and yet regulars at the club say he came there often. Which was it??

I believe about 10% of what the media tells me the problem is trying to figure out WHICH 10%...

That's the only thing I really know for sure.

 

[susano]

Can you guys please go to this video that's trending right now and vote it down (if you don't like it) and educate these anti-RKBA people in the comments section? They are doing exactly what they've been manipulated to do: cry out for "gun control" based on emotion and fear and misguided ideas.



Thanks!!!

Downvoted and left this comment:

How much does Zionist Michael Bloomberg have to pay you shitty actors (and that WAS a terrible performance) to engage in your attempted undermining of the Bill of Rights? Not much, probably, as a whore with an agenda can be bought for a pretty reasonable price, I'm sure. He did say he was pouring fifty million into disparate groups to advance his anti American agenda of gun control. Not just "assault" weapons, but an eventual repeal of the 2nd amendment. Oh, and the Repeal the Second Amendment group (twitter, facebook, etc) is also funded by Bloomberg, among a few others.

Good of you to bring up the Sandy Hook hoax where little "Noah Pozner" (fake name) died and then was killed again (poor Noah!) in the Pakistan school shooting two years later. And then there was David Wheeler who played both a grieving father AND an FBI SWAT team member in that drama. While there have been frenzied attempts to debunk that discovered fact by putting forth someone who barely resembles Wheeler as being the real SWAT guy, anyone can see for themselves, right in the videos and stills, easily found through a search engine. Then we have Jenny and Matt Hubbard, alleged parents of another alleged victim who, like all of the other scammers immediately put up pages asking for money (because everybody begs for money when a loved one is murdered, especially the affluent like the Sandy Hook fraudsters) . In their case, as an extra nudge and way to tug at people's hearts, they claimed they would build an animal sanctuary and recuse center. Three and a half years later and guess what?! No sanctuary because SCAM. I could go on but there isn't enough room.

So, you're afraid of me? I've never owned a gun and only shot one while a kid at camp. I don't feel inclined to own one but am 100% committed to the Bill of Rights (ALL of it) and nobody is even paying me. I will fight you liars every chance I get, though, and I am NOT afraid of YOU and there are millions more like me. You will NEVER win, no matter how many scams, no matter how many shitty actors, no matter how many Michael Bloombergs and millions of dollars.

Meanwhile, those who kill the most - the military and cops - you want armed to the teeth so they can keep right on killing, invading, oppressing and terrorizing because the truth is you don't care about killing you just want to be on the side of the tyrants. Well, the only thing standing between people like you and people like me is what our founders made sure to enshrine in that Bill of Rights. Doesn't that just keep you up at night? I hope so.