Is voting for Libertarians with no chance of winning a waste of your vote?

Howard_Roark

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Here in Austin, there is a Libertarian candidate running on almost every ballot. I feel kind of guilty because though I am a hardcore 100% libertarian, I vote for the Republicans instead. I wish we had a multiparty system, but we don't. I think that Libertarian candiates should run as Republicans like Ron Paul and that the libertarian movement as a whole has its best chance at exacting real change through the Republican party. I also don't think there is anything particularly noble about throwing your vote away on a candidate with no real chance of winning.
 
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I'm getting more and more to the point of realizing that voting for practically anyone is a waste of time. Last couple elections I've showed up and either written in myself, or left it blank because I just don't care.

But without taking into consideration the overall meaninglessness of the act, voting for a candidate who doesn't represent your views is definitely a waste of your vote.
 
Personally, if I'm going to ever take the time to go out and vote, I'll only consider someone who is dead serious on their principles of reducing government on all fronts, regardless of their ability to win or not. Politics has educational value, as evidenced in the Ron Paul 2008 campaign, but I don't think winning offices should be the fundamental goal of liberty advocates, to be perfectly honest.

I wouldn't waste too much time thinking about who you should vote for, and don't feel like you have to compromise your principles to push for the kind of change you want to see. The voting booth isn't much more than a suggestion box for tax slaves... Nothing wrong with throwing in your suggestion, but don't delude yourself into feeling like you can change the world for the better by doing so. :)
 
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Its not a waste of my vote because if there weren't any libertarian candidates running, I just wouldn't vote.
 
http://libertyticker.blogspot.com/2010/10/spoil-your-vote-case-for-voting-third.html

Let’s confront reality- your one individual vote will often not change the outcome of an election. Most congressional and state legislative districts are gerrymandered, so we know which party will win an election before it ever happens (unless you were in Massachusetts for Scott Brown’s upset). In addition, if an election is close enough to make each individual vote count, you simply move into the recount stage (which puts its primary emphasis on which votes are deemed valid).

However, individual votes do matter for minor parties and Independent candidates. The simplest function of this is the protest vote- you are an average citizen who is pissed off with the major party candidates, and you want to scream your displeasure by ‘spoiling’ your vote. This does serve a certain purpose, as it can force the major parties to expand their political base to account for your interests (provided enough similarly-minded voters also ‘protest vote’).

Nevertheless, there is a more practical function performed when you vote third party. Candidates outside of the major parties have difficulty creating a political base with the requisite fundraising capabilities and volunteer network. However, a strong showing at the polls can help alleviate this burden. For starters, many states have vote tests that determine ballot access for minor parties. Without meeting a certain polling threshold in previous elections, minor parties like the Libertarians and Greens must funnel thousands upon thousands of dollars to petition their way onto the ballot. However, if a party meets a vote test it can save this money for actual campaigning. In addition, strong electoral performances signal viability to potential donors and volunteers in subsequent bids for office for third party candidates. Thus, in a paradoxical fashion voting for a candidate who will not win can have a bigger effect than voting for the candidates that can.

I find myself with the same problem sometimes. If I have a pretty good Republican and an ideologically pure Libertarian, I will vote Republican every time. But if I have to vote for Rick Perry or Newt Gingrich or Mike Huckabee, I'll pull the lever for a third party.
 
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The only way you can waste your vote is by giving it to a candidate who doesn't deserve it.
 
Take Harry Browne's advice. You may think that by voting for the lesser of 2 evils instead of the Libertarian that you're being "practical", but in fact voting for the lesser 2 evils is the most impractical action you can take b/c it tells the parties that be that it's OK to keep supplying evil candidates because by being "practical" you have ensured ensured them that your vote is secured. If you're wondering why the GOP has consistently grown bigger and bigger over the years, it's b/c you keep rewarding them
YouTube - Harry Browne on voting for the lesser of 2 evils

And as I noticed in a thread posted yesterday:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=264925
a Libertarian candidate received nearly 20% of the vote in '08 when he went 1 on 1 with a Democrat, and that was in an ultra liberal district and the Libertarian raised virtually no money.

So long as I'm here, give this video a watch:
YouTube - More and more Americans believe the 2-party system of politics is a failure, many support secession
 
If there aren't any Libertarians or good Republicans I plan on writing in my own name. For as many offices as necessary.
 
Was voting for Ron Paul in 2008 a waste of time?

It helped spread the message. Maybe voting for libertarians in local elections could have similar results, on a much smaller scale of course. Multiplied maybe it could have an effect? I'm not sure about this yet.
 
Here in Austin, there is a Libertarian candidate running on almost every ballot. I feel kind of guilty because though I am a hardcore 100% libertarian, I vote for the Republicans instead...
You, sir, are a part of the problem.
 
What gives you the impression that your 1 vote is somehow worth more than 1 vote if you vote Republican rather than 3rd party?

You have 1 vote. All you'll ever have is 1 vote. Non-'dog catcher' elections will never be decided by 1 vote.

Vote for the lesser of two evils in the Republican primary, then vote with your principles in the general. If there's a candidate that agrees with you on at least 90-95% of the issues, vote for him no matter what party. If there is nobody that good on the ballot, then don't vote. Remember, nobody is forcing you to vote. If you don't have any candidates, then you don't have any candidates.
 
Here in Austin, there is a Libertarian candidate running on almost every ballot. I feel kind of guilty because though I am a hardcore 100% libertarian, I vote for the Republicans instead. I wish we had a multiparty system, but we don't. I think that Libertarian candidates should run as Republicans like Ron Paul and that the libertarian movement as a whole has its best chance at exacting real change through the Republican party. I also don't think there is anything particularly noble about throwing your vote away on a candidate with no real chance of winning.

You are quite correct in you assessment. The answer is to take over the Republican Party. I think this slate of candidates is a great start. The biggest hurdle to get over is this idea of "Republicans & Demorats are out of the same barrel".
 
There is an opportunity cost to every vote. Some Republicans are worth voting for. Most are not. The cost is subjective and it is up to you to make the choice about the value of the candidates.
 
imo, if you feel "good" about your vote or voting a certain way gives you a clear consience, it is not a wasted vote.

a libertarian vote may or may not send the message to the politicians you may wish, but you can hope it does.

i wish i had libertarian options on my ballot but instead i have neocons vs neocons. the R candidate for senate (16 of 20 on C4L survery - yes to war and empire of course) blasts the D incumbent for voting for the bailout. my R incumbent representative voted for the bailout (and cap and trade) and the D opponent blasts him for voting for the bailout and voting to raise taxes. go figure.
 
how many others might be there thinking just like you? so no it is not a waste, it will show that the party has more potential and should be reckoned with and in turn your extra vote might be the drop in the bucket that persuades another republican voter to vote libertarian.
 
Here in Austin, there is a Libertarian candidate running on almost every ballot. I feel kind of guilty because though I am a hardcore 100% libertarian, I vote for the Republicans instead. I wish we had a multiparty system, but we don't. I think that Libertarian candiates should run as Republicans like Ron Paul and that the libertarian movement as a whole has its best chance at exacting real change through the Republican party. I also don't think there is anything particularly noble about throwing your vote away on a candidate with no real chance of winning.

No, you are NOT wasting your vote when you vote Libertarian, especially in Texas.

Aside from what everyone else is saying, there is another important consideration in Texas.

In Texas, the Libertarian Party currently has "major party" status- ONLY because we have managed to pull in enough votes in the last election.

That means our candidates get easy ballot access- we no longer have to jump through hoops like the Greens and other small parties do.

However, that status is only good from one election to the next- you have to keep establishing yourself as a major party every election, and that is determined by VOTES.

If we don't get enough votes, we'll lose that ballot access and have to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to jump through hoops and get on the ballot.

So your vote for a Libertarian, even if he loses, can be very important!

I'll be voting Libertarian whenever I can.
 
In this election cycle and the next, we have quite a few liberty candidates running for office. I hope none of you are suggesting that people do not vote.
 
The only waste of a vote is to not vote. There are many advantages to voting Third Party in the General, as already pointed out.
 
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