Is this REALLY confessions of a CIA agent???????

been away for a bit & sad to see this thread buried....

itsthepathocrats....so another diversion would be biden's recent statement?

"Mark my words...It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy...Remember I said it standing here if you don't remember anything else I said. Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy."
 
itsthepathocrats said:
Well, we've seen some posts referencing martial law and violence. These are really fear tactics perpetrated mostly by Patriot media sources and are meant to be a diversion - Jacques Ellul talks about man's propensity toward diversions, which I mention in another thread on this forum. In this case, fear is the diversion, as it paralyzes critical thought and constructive meaningful action. The entire delivery of the audio over Patriot radio, its hectic pace, etc. is all designed to create urgency and fear. We're seeing this psychology reflected here in the forums, you can sense urgency and panic. These are intentionally created by social scientists who feed these techniques and content to Patriot media networks for distribution.
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This is a very interesting thread indeed!

Now in regard to fear-mongering vs ignoring current events or syops, couldn't either one be a syop? I mean I appreciate what you are saying and I am starting to study this subject myself but pacifying the public when they should take action could also be considered a syop, right? So as understand you are saying, we need to be discerning by studying their current agenda. Like in recent history, as in Nazi Germany, encouraging in-action when action should be taken could have dire consequences.

The reason I say all of this is that I listen to Patriot radio stations and can see what your talking about and I must admit, the urgency in their programs and commercials (commercialism) sometimes makes me sick but my philosophy has been to check the facts for myself, hope for the best, prepare for the worst, there can't be much wrong with that.
 
Hmm... very interesting. I'm bumping this thread since it's been awhile since I learned something as useful as this on these forums. I have to say that thread about the CIA watching was funny, and a bit coincidental. Good thing I don't believe in coincidences. ;)
 
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PaulineDisciple said:
Now in regard to fear-mongering vs ignoring current events or syops, couldn't either one be a syop? I mean I appreciate what you are saying and I am starting to study this subject myself but pacifying the public when they should take action could also be considered a syop, right? So as understand you are saying, we need to be discerning by studying their current agenda. Like in recent history, as in Nazi Germany, encouraging in-action when action should be taken could have dire consequences.
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Evaluate the messaging, not just truth vs non-truth, but the manner in which messages are delivered. What is emphasized, what word symbols are utilized... all has an impact.

PaulineDisciple said:
The reason I say all of this is that I listen to Patriot radio stations and can see what your talking about and I must admit, the urgency in their programs and commercials (commercialism) sometimes makes me sick but my philosophy has been to check the facts for myself, hope for the best, prepare for the worst, there can't be much wrong with that.
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One cannot simply evaluate the content separate from the message, as what one is looking for is the motivations of the media owners and decision makers, as they are the ones who control the message and its delivery.

It is not only about fact vs non-fact. It is about how facts are assembled, how conclusions are derived from those facts, what actions are proposed based upon those conclusions, and the proposed urgency of these proposed actions.

One must evaluate the total picture!
 
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Thanks itsthepathocrats, your answers were helpful. I understand what you are talking about when you say its "how those facts are strung together, how conclusions are derived from those facts, what actions are proposed based upon those conclusions, and the proposed urgency of these proposed actions."

As a Christian, I have found that one of the most effective methods of apologetics (defense of the Christian faith) is what is called presuppositional apologetics, a method that challenges the unbeliever to provide a view of reality that make intelligible (makes sense of) things that we all take for granted. For example: morality, we all seem to take granted (presuppose) that after a couple has sex, it would be wrong for the woman to eat the man as female praying mantis’s does to her mate but if one has a view of reality that humans are just another member of the animal kingdom, condemning one example of cannibalism in a species and not the other doesn’t make sense, it does not comport with this view of reality.

This is why I have found the study of philosophy so helpful in this regard and why I can follow what you are saying. Philosophy asks the kinds of questions that we need to answer if we want to have a well thought out belief system, a belief system that strives to relieve tensions or contradictions in ones system of thought. These questions are 1. Metaphysics, what is the nature of reality?, 2. Epistemology, how do you know?, and 3. Axiology, what should you do about it? This seems to correspond to your three steps of how the facts are strung together, how conclusions are derived and what actions should be taken.

Now, back to the topic at hand, given the fact that these syops are real and are being used against American citizens, what is your advice at how to combat it. It seems obvious to educate ourselves but if we are in a syop war, if you were our general, what would be your plan to attack the root of this problem to win this war? My first thought would be to get responsible representatives elected that would put a stop to these activities and hold those accountable that have been responsible to carry out these activities. There also seems to a need to make a distinction between people actively involved and useful idiots that are just doing what they have been conditioned to do. Also, I have always dreamed that it would be nice if we could take over a national television station so that we could bring all of those talented people in our movement together and give them a platform to help accelerate the education process for Americans but given the death grip that they have on the media I am sure they wouldn't give up one of their propaganda networks without a fight.

Reporting for service…
 
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As far as research and identifying a psyop, it really comes down to understanding the long term agenda and then overlaying the event-or-message on top of that agenda to see how the event-or-message supports the agenda. One must understand their motives and techniques in order to properly identify a psyop.

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:eek:

BESTEST POSTEST EVEREST !!

Thank you very much.
 
itsthepathocrats said:
Yes, a very important thread and it gets quickly buried, that is interesting in and of itself, especially when one witnesses the nature of the threads currently being promoted. I requested a sub-forum where propaganda can be discussed separately and seriously, but it has not garnered any traction.






I recently found a page of links to a range of materials on propaganda techniques. While the page resides at a highly vectored web site, the material that is linked to is quite good and should be reviewed by those interested here.
Click here for more on Propaganda Techniques



thanx for the link--reading it now. hope this thread stays bumped this time!!
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Also, I have always dreamed that it would be nice if we could take over a national television station so that we could bring all of those talented people in our movement together and give them a platform to help accelerate the education process for Americans but given the death grip that they have on the media I am sure they wouldn't give up one of their propaganda networks without a fight.

...crossed my mind several times as well :)

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itsthepathocrats any luck w/getting a forum for this? i hate seeing all the links you have posted getting buried ;(
 
itsthepathocrats said:
What you saw during Katrina was PsyOP, dude! Don't believe
everything you see and hear. Think about why you are hearing
and seeing it, and who benefits from that information, before you
draw conclusions.

The sole purpose of those TV images and stories were to scare
the heck out of you and AMP-up the govt's perceived power.
It was an OP. It was designed to spread fear, that was its
sole purpose.

This is just like the "don't taz me bro" actor they hired to run that
OP with Sen. Kerry. The guy is a student and side-line comedian
and actor. The whole thing was planned and acted out to generate
fear. Even the "don't taz me bro" line was planned in advance and
then marketed. This is all these guys got is tail-wagging-the-dog
type propaganda thru their controlled media.

Dang, I think people here need a real education into the land
of psychological warfare, how to recognize it, and how to
defend against it. So many misperceptions.
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Well, you directed me over to this thread.

I still don't see how analyzing the apparatus of the enemy is anything more than a piece of our strategic arsenal.

Our methods should be fluid and adaptive so that any methods used by the enemy can be reacted to organically. We achieve this through simplicity not by making everything complex as the understanding of "pathocracy" seems to require.

If you function from your root, it is not necessary to understand the organization of the enemies methods. His methods are made known through his actions.

It is our side that lacks a superior networking apparatus. Right now we're surviving on the negative feedback through their networking apparatus. It's not our ability to defeat or understand the enemy that is lacking. It is our inability to form layered and distributed cooperative entities.

See Truthwarrior post of Rozeff's "Why I am a Panarchist" article:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=176453

He makes clear this lack of a means to get from here to there. Evil is not winning, its forcing us to evolve or die. But what all the info points to as a solution is a theoretical dilemma concerning cooperative networks, not a theoretical lacking about the nature of evil.

It seems we'll probably have to agree to disagree on this though.
 
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