Is the GOP dead when it comes to liberty?
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LibertyEagle
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We have a chance to BECOME the GOP. If we do not do that, then yes, it will not change. But then, we only have ourselves to blame.
From what I have seen, all or most of our liberty candidates are running in GOP primaries.
Help them if you can, and for God's sake, don't sit on the sidelines.
From what I have seen, all or most of our liberty candidates are running in GOP primaries.
Help them if you can, and for God's sake, don't sit on the sidelines.
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Key word would be "candidates".
If we can successfully get them elected then maybe the GOP isn't completely worthless.
We shall see.
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Yes and the more of us that are active in the GOP and have leadership positions, the more that we can help them.
No one said it was going to be easy, right? We have to be tireless and unrelenting.
We have not yet begun to fight!!
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If the GOP dies, the US is dead -- there WILL be collapse as there will be no chance of any type of gridlock. There's no competitive alternative. We can't abandon it and start over. There isn't time.
Look at these economic predictions if we DON'T legislate a stimulus. -- er....
Look at these economic predictions if we DON'T legislate a stimulus. -- er....
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Oyate
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You make a good case, but this is not a new argument. In the long term, if the GOP dies, the movement will continue. If alternative parties start looking better, that will become clear with time.
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Of course it's dead to real liberty and constitutional reforms.
A false choice duopoly only works if both sides of the duopoly agree on most issues of real substance.
A false choice duopoly only works if both sides of the duopoly agree on most issues of real substance.
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This whole system is dead when it comes to liberty because it's all based on taking people's money to do things they don't want, or in Ron Paul's case, taking stolen money to try to stop the government from stealing. When Gerald Celente said there would be a rise of a "third party system", I don't think he meant political party.......
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I agree. I think that brute force is the only way because they are kicking us out every chance they get.
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I see much more potential in the union of the Libertarian and Green parties than anything else
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Yes.
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Republicans, as opposed to Democrats, as opposed to _____?
Do you think that the Democratic Party is dead to liberty? Isn't the Democrat Establishment only slightly worse (or better) than the Republican Establishment? What makes you think that the displacement of the Establishment in one party would be any easier than it would be in the other? The Neocon mafia and the Rahm Emanuel types are cut from the same cloth.
You'd stand just as good of a chance, by attacking the duopoly from the outside, and knocking off one of them—it doesn't matter which one—as you'd have in trying to coopt one of them from within. The duopolists' big lie will be, with obvious self-interest: "Third parties never win." The reality, however, is that a new party succeeds in establishing itself about once a century or so. We are overdue. You would be putting your energies to better use in the building a new, genuine "Libertarian" party. A successful American Libertarianism would serve as the leading edge for an international movement of Libertarian parties.
I find it hard to believe, that a new political generation is going to spend its youthful energies, in simply cleaning out the garage for the preceding generation(s). It might very well do that, but that would be a waste.
Do you think that the Democratic Party is dead to liberty? Isn't the Democrat Establishment only slightly worse (or better) than the Republican Establishment? What makes you think that the displacement of the Establishment in one party would be any easier than it would be in the other? The Neocon mafia and the Rahm Emanuel types are cut from the same cloth.
You'd stand just as good of a chance, by attacking the duopoly from the outside, and knocking off one of them—it doesn't matter which one—as you'd have in trying to coopt one of them from within. The duopolists' big lie will be, with obvious self-interest: "Third parties never win." The reality, however, is that a new party succeeds in establishing itself about once a century or so. We are overdue. You would be putting your energies to better use in the building a new, genuine "Libertarian" party. A successful American Libertarianism would serve as the leading edge for an international movement of Libertarian parties.
I find it hard to believe, that a new political generation is going to spend its youthful energies, in simply cleaning out the garage for the preceding generation(s). It might very well do that, but that would be a waste.
Quoted for the god damn truth.
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