is that true about the progressiv*e left ?

[Mordan]

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It's no surprise either that Paul is picking up support with the progressiv*e left -- everything he'd want to do that they don't like would require Congress to do it for him, and everything he's want to do that they WOULD like he can just do as President. So despite certain disagreeme*nts, supporting Ron Paul is kinda win-win for the progressiv*e left.

Stop the wars, stop the imperial conquest of the earth, stop enforcing the horrific drug war, use the savings from dismantlin*g the empire to save social security, stop taking money from the poor and giving it to billionair*e bankers, stop the security state, stop the police state....I mean, what's not to like?

 

[CasualApathy]

Sure it is, I mean - I'd be a leftie too if the economics of it worked and you could actually create a win-win scenario with redistribution of wealth, sadly the reality is that both those who give and those who recieve loose, one half being robbed of their wealth, the other being robbed of their initiative and dignity. But really I find myself more in agreement with "lefties" on all other issues than those relating to economics than I do with right-wingers, so it's no supprise to me that Ron Paul has a great appeal there.

 

[MJU1983]

Pretty much. Since Dr. Paul doesn't believe in Executive Orders and Signing Statements he could do a LOT of good as President for anyone who believes in Peace, Prosperity, and Liberty.

He isn't looking to be King like some of the others running (including Obama).

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Ron Paul could probably technically enforce article 1 section 8 in regards to Congressional duties being derelict .

 

[Wren]

Dem support is nice, but I still feel weary about it. It's like if libertarians were told to register [D] and vote for kucinich. Sure you'd support him in heart, but would you actually do it? I'm not counting on the left to help us out in a signifiant manner, plenty of them still prioritize entitlements over war.

 

[CasualApathy]

Dem support is nice, but I still feel weary about it. It's like if libertarians were told to register [D] and vote for kucinich. Sure you'd support him in heart, but would you actually do it? I'm not counting on the left to help us out in a signifiant manner, plenty of them still prioritize entitlements over war.

They will come into play in a major way for the general election though.

 

[Wren]

They will come into play in a major way for the general election though.

we have to win the primary first. :/ But right now I have no trust in polls because I believe they don't show RP's real numbers, those polls don't show Dem or Independant likely voters, only likely republicans. I believe RP registers higher in Gallup polls because they factor in the independants as well

 

[muzzled dogg]

Need the primary vote

Reach out to people in your own community and help them change their political affiliation

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=107062629398981

 

[CasualApathy]

I realize that we need to win the primary first, but that's no reason not to be happy that Ron has such broad appeal, that's only ever going to be positive.

 

[Lafayette]

Its sad though, so many progressives just cant seem to look past his personal beliefs on religion and abortion, or god forbid ever vote for a evil Republican especially one from Texas

We see this time and time again all over comment sections on youtube and news sites. Its just as bad as trying to convert full blood neo-cons.

 

[Fatejuggler]

Something that might be worth keeping in mind on such topics is that about half the states have open or semi-open primaries, meaning that anyone who is registered can just walk in on election day and vote for whoever they want. No need to change party affiliation. A full list can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_election#Primary_systems_state-by-state

 

[Fatejuggler]

Its sad though, so many progressives just cant seem to look past his personal beliefs on religion and abortion, or god forbid ever vote for a evil Republican especially one from Texas

We see this time and time again all over comment sections on youtube and news sites. Its just as bad as trying to convert full blood neo-cons.

Actually, I think there are probably more progressives who would consider voting for a pro-life Christian Republican than there are conservatives who would consider voting for a pro-choice atheist Democrat.

Being pro-choice is an opinion.

Being pro-life is a belief that one is acting under a mandate from a supernatural being who rules the universe.

The later is inherently more compelling I would say.

 

[Krugerrand]

Actually, I think there are probably more progressives who would consider voting for a pro-life Christian Republican than there are conservatives who would consider voting for a pro-choice atheist Democrat.

Being pro-choice is an opinion.

Being pro-life is a belief that one is acting under a mandate from a supernatural being who rules the universe.

The later is inherently more compelling I would say.

I encourage you to investigate:
Atheist and Agnostic Pro-Life League
http://www.godlessprolifers.org/home.html

 

[Krugerrand]

Its sad though, so many progressives just cant seem to look past his personal beliefs on religion and abortion, or god forbid ever vote for a evil Republican especially one from Texas

We see this time and time again all over comment sections on youtube and news sites. Its just as bad as trying to convert full blood neo-cons.

Feel free to point out that Ron Paul was born and raised just outside of Pittsburgh, PA,

 

[specsaregood]

Being pro-life is a belief that one is acting under a mandate from a supernatural being who rules the universe.

Personally, it make more sense to me for a atheist to be pro-life. An atheist should see it as robbing a life of its ONLY chance at life; where as a religious person should be able to be comforted that the life at least has a chance to enjoy an afterlife.

 

[tremendoustie]

We need votes in the primary far more than votes in the general.

 

[Krugerrand]

We need votes in the primary far more than votes in the general.

In general I agree. However, money is super important. So, if there's a chance to convert somebody who is wealthy and likely to contribute financially, then that bumps up the priority some.

 

[freedom-maniac]

Progressives certainily are.


I live in Ann Arbor, which is a notoriously leftist city - not like with yuppie liberals, but with the true socialists, drug users, co-opers, "buy local" and "fair trade" types, vegan/vegetarians, etc.

I have actually made significant progress in talking to some of them.

For one, point out that Obama is a neo-conservative, a sort of Bush 2.0 with continuing tortue, Gitmo, suspense of habeaus corpus, secret prisions, the wars in the Middle East (as well as expanding them), the violations of the Constitution, the drug war, and the PATRIOT Act. (He also could have overturned Don't Ask Don't Tell with an executive order day 1, but instead waited for Congress to change the law)

Many have a some what favorable view of Ron Paul, and stress that he is legitimately against all of these, and could end them quickly while President. As Commander in Chief he can bring the troops home, end the wars, close Gitmo, ec. He can also de facto end the Drug War at the federal level even if Congress doesn't repeal by pardoning every drug offender, which would likely quickly end the violence in northern Mexico and the southwestern US, and likewise he could order his subordinates in the executive branch not to enforce the PATRIOT Act.

As with his economic policies, which they disagree with, remind them that Ron Paul is a libertarian, and not like the far right which just wants to throw people out on the street. He wants the social welfare programs to be gradually phased out (it probably wouldn't even be gone by the end of his presidency), and in the mean time, he can actually fund them by the money saved by bringing the troops home.

I've had far more success with the far left, than with the center-right. (To many center-right types give me these mindless slogans like "I like Ron Paul, but Perry has experience creating jobs", or "Ron Paul's great, but Bachmann's a strong constitutional conservative" - as if either of those slogans mean anything)

 

[Fatejuggler]

I encourage you to investigate:
Atheist and Agnostic Pro-Life League
http://www.godlessprolifers.org/home.html

Yes, I knew someone would post something like that. I'm pretty sure about 99% of pro-lifers are not in that category though.

Personally, it make more sense to me for a atheist to be pro-life. An atheist should see it as robbing a life of its ONLY chance at life; where as a religious person should be able to be comforted that the life at least has a chance to enjoy an afterlife.

An atheist would perceive human identity as nothing more than the collection of thoughts that compromise the conscious mind. A fetus would just be considered a mass of biological tissue, thus possessing no rights.

The point is just that Republican voters are inclined to believe their party is representing the will of a divine deity, whereas Democratic voters perceive their party more as the representation of a collection of transitory ideals. So Republicans have a lot more personally invested in not crossing party lines. Just my opinion.

 

[specsaregood]

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