Is Ted Cruz Going To Run for President?

[CaptLouAlbano]

If Rand Paul becomes president and doesn't stop overseas drone bombings and our intervention there, I will do EVERYTHING in my power to speak out against him and bring down his presidency.

I will speak out as well. However, I would not go as far to say that I will do everything in my power to bring down his presidency, since I do not view myself as having that kind of power.

 

[Christian Liberty]

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S 209, Federal Reserve Transparency Act of 2013 introduced by Rand (it's essentially the same bill that was introduced by Ron in the House last session). Cruz is a co-sponsor.

OK, but is he actually opposed to the Fed as such?

I just started reading Rand Paul's book, so I know he is, I don't know if Ted Cruz is.

If Rand Paul becomes president and doesn't stop overseas drone bombings and our intervention there, I will do EVERYTHING in my power to speak out against him and bring down his presidency.

Exactly.

 

[Christian Liberty]

I will speak out as well. However, I would not go as far to say that I will do everything in my power to bring down his presidency, since I do not view myself as having that kind of power.

You may not have the power, doesn't mean you don't try.

That said, I don't see Rand Paul continuing the drone war. Ted Cruz on the other hand...

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

OK, but is he actually opposed to the Fed as such?I just started reading Rand Paul's book, so I know he is, I don't know if Ted Cruz is..

This is from Cruz's "Twelve point plan to restore the economy" from 2011.

"Rein in the Fed and Ensure Sound Money. Congress should pass Rep. Ron Paul’s bill to audit the Federal Reserve—so that it is subject to basic principles of accountability and transparency. We then should restrain the Fed’s “quantitative easing”—a fancy term for printing money—so that our currency isn’t further debased. Since 2008, gold has skyrocketed and the value of the dollar has plummeted creating a cruel tax on every consumer, saver, and investor. For long-term growth, we need sound money and a strong dollar."

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[Christian Liberty]

This is from Cruz's "Twelve point plan to restore the economy" from 2011.

"Rein in the Fed and Ensure Sound Money. Congress should pass Rep. Ron Paul’s bill to audit the Federal Reserve—so that it is subject to basic principles of accountability and transparency. We then should restrain the Fed’s “quantitative easing”—a fancy term for printing money—so that our currency isn’t further debased. Since 2008, gold has skyrocketed and the value of the dollar has plummeted creating a cruel tax on every consumer, saver, and investor. For long-term growth, we need sound money and a strong dollar."

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OK, so he's better than most on the issue, but not in favor of outright abolition.

Oh, and I've heard of Google, obviously.

 

[Carlybee]

Rand Paul is as far as I will compromise, no farther. I will vote for Rand in 2016 if he makes it to November...if Ted Cruz is the GOP nominee, I will choose some other option.

Same here. Tea Party does not always equate to liberty although I would bet its establishment concerns pushing Cruz...what better way to marginalize Rand and eventually get the neocon du jour in? Eg..."Help us get xxxx elected and we'll put you in line for next time..wink wink". Cruz is nothing if not an accomplished opportunist, imo.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

OK, so he's better than most on the issue, but not in favor of outright abolition.

Cruz is calling for an abolition of the IRS, a Fed Audit and a restoration of sound money. If all three were to occur, the abolition of the Fed is a natural result.

 

[Sola_Fide]

This is from Cruz's "Twelve point plan to restore the economy" from 2011.

"Rein in the Fed and Ensure Sound Money. Congress should pass Rep. Ron Paul’s bill to audit the Federal Reserve—so that it is subject to basic principles of accountability and transparency. We then should restrain the Fed’s “quantitative easing”—a fancy term for printing money—so that our currency isn’t further debased. Since 2008, gold has skyrocketed and the value of the dollar has plummeted creating a cruel tax on every consumer, saver, and investor. For long-term growth, we need sound money and a strong dollar."

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Where is repealing the legal tender laws in that? Why does he still support the existence of the FED?

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

Same here. Tea Party does not always equate to liberty although I would bet its establishment concerns pushing Cruz...what better way to marginalize Rand and eventually get the neocon du jour in?

The "Neo-con du jour" is Rubio and he isn't flying so high lately. My estimation is that there are more Rockefeller Republicans than Neo-Cons in the GOP, particularly in seats of power.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

Where is repealing the legal tender laws in that? Why does he still support the existence of the FED?

Has Rand introduced legislation for the repeal of legal tender laws? Not to my knowledge.

The means by which long term goals are accomplished is by first winning the short term goals. Right now there is support with the people and many in Congress to audit the Fed - it is a starting point, that will hopefully lead to long term goals.

Libertarians need to take learn from the Progressives. Progressives wanted a single payer health care system in this country for over close to 75 years (maybe even longer in some circles). Did they bitch and moan when Medicare and Medicaid were introduced as legislation because it didn't go far enough? No. Instead they were patient knowing that in order to achieve their long term goals that many steps had to be made along the way.

In short, you don't go directly from "point A" to "point B" without overwhelming support of the people and the Congress.

 

[Carlybee]

The "Neo-con du jour" is Rubio and he isn't flying so high lately. My estimation is that there are more Rockefeller Republicans than Neo-Cons in the GOP, particularly in seats of power.

Time will tell but I have pretty good intuition. We still don't know for sure that Jeb isn't a consideration. If Cruz does run all you have to do is follow the money.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

Time will tell but I have pretty good intuition. We still don't know for sure that Jeb isn't a consideration. If Cruz does run all you have to do is follow the money.

I'm keeping an eye on Jeb as well. Like anyone else he needs an early state and he obviously could win FL. But if Rubio is still in it, then I am not so sure how it will go. A guy like Rubio might stay in as long as he can to raise his profile for 2020 or 2024. On FP, Jeb appears to be more Hamiltonian, but I haven't really been able to nail down his positions yet.

 

[Christian Liberty]

I'm keeping an eye on Jeb as well. Like anyone else he needs an early state and he obviously could win FL. But if Rubio is still in it, then I am not so sure how it will go. A guy like Rubio might stay in as long as he can to raise his profile for 2020 or 2024. On FP, Jeb appears to be more Hamiltonian, but I haven't really been able to nail down his positions yet.

Is Jeb less hawkish than his brother?

Has Rand introduced legislation for the repeal of legal tender laws? Not to my knowledge.

The means by which long term goals are accomplished is by first winning the short term goals. Right now there is support with the people and many in Congress to audit the Fed - it is a starting point, that will hopefully lead to long term goals.

Libertarians need to take learn from the Progressives. Progressives wanted a single payer health care system in this country for over close to 75 years (maybe even longer in some circles). Did they bitch and moan when Medicare and Medicaid were introduced as legislation because it didn't go far enough? No. Instead they were patient knowing that in order to achieve their long term goals that many steps had to be made along the way.

In short, you don't go directly from "point A" to "point B" without overwhelming support of the people and the Congress.

There's truth to that, but don't take your eye off the ball.

My issue with Ted Cruz isn't really his economic positions, its his foreign policy stances.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Has Rand introduced legislation for the repeal of legal tender laws? Not to my knowledge.

Not to my knowledge either.

The means by which long term goals are accomplished is by first winning the short term goals. Right now there is support with the people and many in Congress to audit the Fed - it is a starting point, that will hopefully lead to long term goals.

Libertarians need to take learn from the Progressives. Progressives wanted a single payer health care system in this country for over close to 75 years (maybe even longer in some circles). Did they bitch and moan when Medicare and Medicaid were introduced as legislation because it didn't go far enough? No. Instead they were patient knowing that in order to achieve their long term goals that many steps had to be made along the way.

In short, you don't go directly from "point A" to "point B" without overwhelming support of the people and the Congress.

It's funny, because Ron Paul says the exact opposite:

Originally Posted by Ron Paul

Perhaps the most important lesson from Obamacare is that while liberty is lost incrementally, it cannot be regained incrementally. The federal leviathan continues its steady growth; sometimes boldly and sometimes quietly. Obamacare is just the latest example, but make no mistake: the statists are winning. So advocates of liberty must reject incremental approaches and fight boldly for bedrock principles.

 

[klamath]

Yeaw he is going to run. It is a shame. I hope it doesn't get so bloody that they alienate each others supporters. That will be a sure loss for both of them.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

It's funny, because Ron Paul says the exact opposite:

Yeah, for all he did, Ron lived in a bubble politically. On this issue, he is wrong.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

Is Jeb less hawkish than his brother?

Haven't done a ton of research on him, since he isn't an official candidate. But some cursory reading of mine would suggest that he is. Like I said, he seems more Hamiltonian in the little I have gathered.

 

[Carlybee]

I'm keeping an eye on Jeb as well. Like anyone else he needs an early state and he obviously could win FL. But if Rubio is still in it, then I am not so sure how it will go. A guy like Rubio might stay in as long as he can to raise his profile for 2020 or 2024. On FP, Jeb appears to be more Hamiltonian, but I haven't really been able to nail down his positions yet.

He was a signer of PNAC, ie...the blueprint for Bush/Cheney foreign intervention and imperialism.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

He was a signer of PNAC, ie...the blueprint for Bush/Cheney foreign intervention and imperialism.

Wasn't aware of that. Was this back in 97 when it was founded or something more recent.

 

[Valli6]

Would Cruz dare to run for president?

I think that Cruz is actually in cahoots with Rand, and all this is running interference/trolling the media.

I tend to think this, but am also aware that Cruz is a Harvard lawyer that's married to a Goldman Sachs employee who worked in the treasury department under George Bush (amongst other things). So he is just as likely to turn around and stab liberty in the back with establishment support at some later date.

Honestly I think it's ludicrous for him to run since he's only been in office a few months! and essentially only talks about stuff. I've seen no record of him taking a risky stand on anything - he just sort of imitates Rand. And he has to know that most Americans believe being born in another country disqualifies you from being president (although apparently you younger people have not been taught this as older generations were). If he pretends otherwise for personnal gain - he will be totally discredited and prove his lack of respect for the intent of the Constitution. I would never vote for Cruz as president.

On the other hand, how interesting would it be if at some point Cruz said, "Well, I got my lawyers on it, and it turns out that having dual citizenship means I'm not really a "naturally born citizen". Plus I was born in a different country." (assuming that the former is truly the case - it's never really been tested in court). This action would serve to reinforce rule-of-law/sovereignty in the WhiteHouse, rather than breaking it down.