Is secession treason?

[oyarde]

2002 , US Congress voted to allow Wendover Utah to leave Utah and join Nevada , to become one with East Wendover , Harry Reid . blocked this in the Senate . 2008 , considered in Utah ( Joint Resolution 6 ) for a seperate State in Southern Utah , did not die until it reached the Utah State Senate.

 

[oyarde]

Hamlet of Town Line , New York seceded 1861 , in the 1920's , it was discovered they were not paying taxes and outside the union, in 1946 , they voted to rejoin.

 

[oyarde]

Scott County , Tennesee officially passed a proclamation to secede from Tennesee , 1961 ,in 1986 , when discovered to still be on the books , it was repealed and petitioned for readmission to Tennesee , though the secession had never been recognized by state or feds.

 

[oyarde]

These are about the only victorious things I could find today , but , my time has been limited....

 

[oyarde]

Bet , Pete would have been good with the U P being its own state

 

[oyarde]

Hamlet of Town Line , New York seceded 1861 , in the 1920's , it was discovered they were not paying taxes and outside the union, in 1946 , they voted to rejoin.

Think they regret that now ????

 

[oyarde]

I am a Great American Patriot , and I secede until at least Mon Afternoon , I am not paying any taxes until then ! ( this may mean I have to get my Honey to pick me up a twelve pack Sat. afternoon ) . I have a garden to till , oil to change , bird feeders to fill , a pond that needs dredged to look at , weapons to clean & oil ... Ahh . i am a busy man . Once the campaign is over , I will need a small donation to my Founation in exchange for the research

 

[oyarde]

I think it has been done before , but I do not know where to look , probably Indiana , Kentucky or Tennessee ?

Took me a bit , but I found what I was looking for , in Tenn. , I knew it was one of them , I know , I am stil missing one of the others , But I have so much to do ...

 

[oyarde]

" Or in adhering to their enemies " ...... OK , who is the enemy ? Are the people not adhering to the Supreme Law of the Land the enemy ??

I further declare an Oyarde Holiday and All UnConstitutional assholes must leave me be until Tue , pretend like I am a resident of Town Line , New York in 1919

 

[MikeStanart]

Contradicting the values of our Founding Fathers; and the principles of Liberty are the true treasonous acts.

 

[Czolgosz]

Not if the people weren't willing to be lead by the nose like an ox. We got lazy with our freedoms and lost them. But that is a stark difference when compared to secession today. We failed The Constitution. We lost faith in it. Secession wouldn't work no matter how hard the faithful tried.

Did I miss a solution proffered by you?

 

[Czolgosz]

I am a Great American Patriot , and I secede until at least Mon Afternoon , I am not paying any taxes until then ! ( this may mean I have to get my Honey to pick me up a twelve pack Sat. afternoon ) . I have a garden to till , oil to change , bird feeders to fill , a pond that needs dredged to look at , weapons to clean & oil ... Ahh . i am a busy man . Once the campaign is over , I will need a small donation to my Founation in exchange for the research

Sounds like the life.

 

[BuddyRey]

"Treason" is just an absurd anti-concept somebody made up to try and legitimize a predator-prey relationship. If a battered wife reports her abusive husband to the police, or, God forbid, defends against him herself, is she "guilty of treason", or is she acting rationally to free herself of a predator who's sucking her life and her spirit away?

You owe no special allegiance to the government or its agents, beyond behaving peaceably toward them (which, if you're a good libertarian, is how you behave with everyone). They're not your benefactors or your friends just because they say they are, and because they've been saying so for most of your life. As with any other common predator or bully, you have every right to ignore them.

 

[otherone]

The US would declare the state in rebellion and use military force to re-take it. The fact that you can't face the reality of it means you will fail. Secession may appeal to ideology. But it just doesn't stand up in the real world.

Huh? I'm just asking questions. This isn't reality...it's the interwebz...not the real world...ya' know? Virtual. An artifice...kinda like government , come to think of it. Anyway....what is the Constitutional basis to declare a State in rebellion? Is a peaceful secession an act of war?

 

[Czolgosz]

You owe no special allegiance to the government, beyond behaving peaceably toward it and its agents (which, if you're a good libertarian, is how you behave with everyone). They're not your benefactors or your friends just because they say they are, and because they've been saying so for most of your life.

But...but, you cannot simply break up with them! They have rules. And what of their procedures?

 

[otherone]

But...but, you cannot simply break up with them! They have rules. And what of their procedures?

just text the break-up...less messy...

 

[BuddyRey]

But...but, you cannot simply break up with them! They have rules. And what of their procedures?

 

[BuddyRey]

Spooner continues to be vindicated-and smiles from his grave. Whoever this "We" you speak of is, it's noone alive. I cannot logically or morally be held to a contract I did not sign. No Treason: The Constitution Of No Authority.

This!

 

[ShaneEnochs]

We just need this movement to 1) Accept that secession is the only viable path to freedom, 2) Decide on where and how we secede, whether micro, state, county, or what have you, 3) Do it.

Freedom in 3 easy steps.

Bet that's what those folks in Waco thought too.

 

[Tod]

It's only treason if you lose.

^ this

Treason is a term applied by the subject of rebellion. It holds no meaning for the other side.

Kind of like the expression, "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom-fighter".