Is Root the official VP yet?

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Or do we have to wait to find out?

I think the Barr-Root ticket will be kick ass for the LP. They have name recognition, energy (especially WAR), and they can garner cash. I think it's possible that they make the debates.
 
I hope not... Root was one of the very few people on that stage I disliked....
 
God. This is terrible. Root's speech was an overblown ego trip, and quite simply a load of crap. Barr is NOT a libertarian (neither is Root), and as much as Christine Smith is a joke, I had to smile when she went after him.

Now we have TWO frigging neocons on the ticket, and one who apparently thinks he has divine powers.

And I'm sorry, but everyone defending Barr and claiming he's so changed... what the hell? How could you possibly call yourself libertarian, or even libertarian-leaning, and like the nomination of someone who's a drug warrior, voted for the Patriot Act, voted for the Iraq War, and consistently supported an interventionist foreign policy?? I don't care if the rest of his record sparkles (which it doesn't really), that alone should be enough to remove him from consideration. The LP delegates today were no better than the Rs and Ds who vote based on "electability". Party of Principle my ass.
 
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libertyVI said:
And I'm sorry, but everyone defending Barr and claiming he's so changed... what the hell? How could you possibly call yourself libertarian, or even libertarian-leaning, and like the nomination of someone who's a drug warrior, voted for the Patriot Act, voted for the Iraq War, and consistently supported an interventionist foreign policy?? I don't care if the rest of his record sparkles (which it doesn't really), that alone should be enough to remove him from consideration. The LP delegates today were no better than the Rs and Ds who vote based on "electability". Party of Principle my ass.
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I am saying he hasn't had to change much at all. No longer a drug warrior like he was (sometimes). Read my reasons in my sig.
 
libertyVI said:
God. This is terrible. Root's speech was an overblown ego trip, and quite simply a load of crap. Barr is NOT a libertarian, and as much as Christine Smith is a joke, I had to smile when she went after him.

Now we have TWO frigging neocons on the ticket, and one who apparently thinks he has divine powers.

And I'm sorry, but everyone defending Barr and claiming he's so changed... what the hell? How could you possibly call yourself libertarian, or even libertarian-leaning, and like the nomination of someone who's a drug warrior, voted for the Patriot Act, voted for the Iraq War, and consistently supported an interventionist foreign policy?? I don't care if the rest of his record sparkles (which it doesn't really), that alone should be enough to remove him from consideration. The LP delegates today were no better than the Rs and Ds who vote based on "electability". Party of Principle my ass.
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I agree completely. The libertarian party has been destroyed. Looks like I'm not voting this November.... :mad:
 
I didn't like Root, but I can see why Bob Barr did it. I don't think it was so much of doing it because he liked Root.

Instead, it was political expediency. Root could play kingpin in the nomination process. And, while Root probably wanted to run with Barr, he could have claimed he would endorse Ruwart.

It is a tactic that weaker groups use to get what they want; I have done it myself. For Root, it is apparent that he will change his position when it is politically expedient; it wouldn't be below him to pull that on Barr.

Anyone notice Barr's look when he met with Root after Root's endorsement of Barr speech? He didn't look like he really wanted that. But really, he had little choice. Word was circulating on the floor that Ruwart wouldn't accept the VP slot with anyone whose position was too far from hers(and it was widely considered that meant Barr).

Ruwart would have been best. That is very true. I liked her style, and it would have complimented Barr(who I hoped would get the nomination anyway). Unfortunately, her and Barr apparently didn't work out a deal beforehand. They should have agreed that whomever won would take the other as VP. But they didn't.

Now, the LP vote is much more limited. It could be worse though; at least there is no other Libertarian running to pull those votes.

The thing I don't like is how much Root is shooting for the presidential nomination. I DO NOT want him to make it to that position for 2012, which he spouted off way too much. In fact, that was really all he said.

So, we are left the base of the problem: Barr and Ruwart never came to an agreement beforehand.

Sigh*
 
Imperial said:
I didn't like Root, but I can see why Bob Barr did it. I don't think it was so much of doing it because he liked Root.

Instead, it was political expediency. Root could play kingpin in the nomination process. And, while Root probably wanted to run with Barr, he could have claimed he would endorse Ruwart.

It is a tactic that weaker groups use to get what they want; I have done it myself. For Root, it is apparent that he will change his position when it is politically expedient; it wouldn't be below him to pull that on Barr.

Anyone notice Barr's look when he met with Root after Root's endorsement of Barr speech? He didn't look like he really wanted that. But really, he had little choice. Word was circulating on the floor that Ruwart wouldn't accept the VP slot with anyone whose position was too far from hers(and it was widely considered that meant Barr).

Ruwart would have been best. That is very true. I liked her style, and it would have complimented Barr(who I hoped would get the nomination anyway). Unfortunately, her and Barr apparently didn't work out a deal beforehand. They should have agreed that whomever won would take the other as VP. But they didn't.

Now, the LP vote is much more limited. It could be worse though; at least there is no other Libertarian running to pull those votes.

The thing I don't like is how much Root is shooting for the presidential nomination. I DO NOT want him to make it to that position for 2012, which he spouted off way too much. In fact, that was really all he said.

So, we are left the base of the problem: Barr and Ruwart never came to an agreement beforehand.

Sigh*
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I wouldn't mind seeing Root being the Prez pick if he tows the party line in the 4 years in between (or 8 in the highly unlikely event of a Barr Presidency).
 
Ruwart was offered the spot by people from Barr's campaign... and she turned it down. If I were to guess, her reason was probably because she thought she still had a chance to win at the time, and didn't want to blow her "purist" image by entertaining the idea of being on the ticket with Barr. And while I wasn't entirely sure if I heard right, I was pretty sure I heard her talking about how she regretted doing it when the final round voting was happening on CSPAN.

But even if she doesn't recognize it, it was her spot to lose - and she did just that.
 
Rangeley said:
Ruwart was offered the spot by people from Barr's campaign... and she turned it down. If I were to guess, her reason was probably because she thought she still had a chance to win at the time, and didn't want to blow her "purist" image by entertaining the idea of being on the ticket with Barr. And while I wasn't entirely sure if I heard right, I was pretty sure I heard her talking about how she regretted doing it when the final round voting was happening on CSPAN.

But even if she doesn't recognize it, it was her spot to lose - and she did just that.
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Excuse me, I meant she would have been the Pres. nominee because in Rd 5 they were tied. There were quite a few people there that considered Barr a neo-con that needed to prove he had changed.

I am disappointed. I don't claim any party but I want someone to support... someone that feels like I do and has the background to prove it. After today, I still don't know what I will do.

I don't know enough about Baldwin to be sure that I can support him. For now, my Ron Paul signs stay up and probably will until the RNC.
 
libertyVI said:
God. This is terrible. Root's speech was an overblown ego trip, and quite simply a load of crap. Barr is NOT a libertarian (neither is Root), and as much as Christine Smith is a joke, I had to smile when she went after him.

Now we have TWO frigging neocons on the ticket, and one who apparently thinks he has divine powers.

And I'm sorry, but everyone defending Barr and claiming he's so changed... what the hell? How could you possibly call yourself libertarian, or even libertarian-leaning, and like the nomination of someone who's a drug warrior, voted for the Patriot Act, voted for the Iraq War, and consistently supported an interventionist foreign policy?? I don't care if the rest of his record sparkles (which it doesn't really), that alone should be enough to remove him from consideration. The LP delegates today were no better than the Rs and Ds who vote based on "electability". Party of Principle my ass.
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and in the mid 90's I used to read Rush Limbaughs books and was a die hard Republican who supported Bush version 1, war in Iraq. I am now a small L Libertarian. Barr isn't going to win the presidency but if he is willing to go and espouse Libertarian philosophy, whether or not he truly believes it or not, to me it is a good thing. I don't think Barr is the greatest but I can only take a man at his word. If he claims that he has seen the error of his ways, then I must accept that....cautiously. How many of us on this board have changed our opinions on issues?
 
mtmedlin said:
and in the mid 90's I used to read Rush Limbaughs books and was a die hard Republican who supported Bush version 1, war in Iraq. I am now a small L Libertarian. Barr isn't going to win the presidency but if he is willing to go and espouse Libertarian philosophy, whether or not he truly believes it or not, to me it is a good thing. I don't think Barr is the greatest but I can only take a man at his word. If he claims that he has seen the error of his ways, then I must accept that....cautiously. How many of us on this board have changed our opinions on issues?
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+1
 
^I use to be a registered Democrat and drank the kool-aid. Now I'm a Decline-to-State voter with libertarian Democrat ideals. Honestly, I think it's time for everyone no matter their political philosophy to come together and vote 3rd Party no matter who they choose. Just show the establishment we're tired of lies and false promises. I should look into a website to create an activist Vote 3rd Party site, invite Nader supporters, Green Party supporters, Baldwin supporters, Barr supporters, etc. plus people who support Gravel, Paul & Kucinich to choose someone 3rd party. If 10% goes 3rd this election, that's a great sign.
 
brandonyates said:
I agree completely. The libertarian party has been destroyed. Looks like I'm not voting this November.... :mad:
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Good for you brandon.
I'm not voting either.

Why should we vote for our masters? The whole system is a joke. Not voting is better than voting for Republicans with an (L) by their names.
 
mtmedlin said:
and in the mid 90's I used to read Rush Limbaughs books and was a die hard Republican who supported Bush version 1, war in Iraq. I am now a small L Libertarian. Barr isn't going to win the presidency but if he is willing to go and espouse Libertarian philosophy, whether or not he truly believes it or not, to me it is a good thing. I don't think Barr is the greatest but I can only take a man at his word. If he claims that he has seen the error of his ways, then I must accept that....cautiously. How many of us on this board have changed our opinions on issues?
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The problem is, Barr is not espousing libertarian philosophy, and since he is running 3rd party, will be left out of the debates (and out of the msm).
 
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