Is Rand our man or not?

You have to remember, one of the first things Obozo did was hire peeps just to surf the internet in order to debunk anything negative anyone had to say about his narcissistic self ... You probably caught some of his "hired hands", who do nothing but thumbs down anything said by Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Mike Lee, and Cruz.

Although I must say, Rand is not his Dad by any means .. It will take months for me to recover from his endorsement of Mitch McConnell. He should have just kept his mouth shut.
 
Yes, Ron sure did and I know I am not alone in not losing sight of that. But, we are not going to go from where we are to that utopia overnight, as much many of us want that. The American people have to be led back to liberty. Some have been so propagandized, that they have forgotten; some never knew.

It is my strong opinion that electing Rand would be a HUGE step in getting us there and he has done a darn good job of avoiding the minefields that his father stepped in over and over again.



If he wasn't going to run for President, I would wholeheartedly agree with you. But, he is, and I feel confident what he is doing is trying to avoid giving the other side ready-made snippets to make him look like a cold-hearted asshole. You know how elections are. You don't have time to spend even 5 minutes explaining your rationale. It's all about soundbytes. Do you remember how Rand played it when he ran for Senate? Most of the time he would just say when news media would try to get him to say something incriminating, something like... I don't know why people wouldn't want to have their taxes lowered. It really gave them nowhere to go and the opposition didn't get a soundbyte to hit him with in campaign ads.

I detest politics. But, that is what is going on here. I feel very confident of that.

Take a broader look at what Rand has done since he's been in the Senate. Think about the conversations in this country that would not have been had, had he not been there and not been in the committees he has been in. He has done a great deal to change the conversation in this country. Everyday people are talking about issues that I haven't heard them talk about in so very long.

If Rand would act in the manner that many on these forums want him to act, it might make us cheer, but the rest of America, whose ears are open to him right now, would shut right down. I thought we were smarter than that. It is so depressing sometimes to come on here .

I bolded the thing that's most relevant to me, and it illustrates where some of us are coming from.

Don't get me wrong, barring something really awful, I'll vote for Rand. Occasionally I get mad at him, but I respect what he's trying to do.

Here's the thing though, he won't just be able to flip his ideology the moment he gets in the White House. What we see, going into the election, is what we get. At best.

I simply don't have the same enthusiasm for Rand because I don't think the message is the same. Similar, sure, but not the same. It is what it is. Rand is who he is. He'll probably win a lot more people this way. Doesn't mean I like it.

I'm fairly certain that I'll never vote for another Republican in my life. The Republican party is controlled by a bunch of Rockefeller liberals who will stop at nothing to eradicate conservatives from the Republican Party.

I'll be voting for either the Libertarian or Constitution Party candidates going forward.

- ML

I don't know where you live, but Greg Brannon in NC is looking really, really solid. He's a Republican. Justin Amash and Tom Massie are solid.

I agree with you mostly, but there are exceptions, IMO.
 
You have to remember, one of the first things Obozo did was hire peeps just to surf the internet in order to debunk anything negative anyone had to say about his narcissistic self ... You probably caught some of his "hired hands", who do nothing but thumbs down anything said by Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Mike Lee, and Cruz.

Although I must say, Rand is not his Dad by any means .. It will take months for me to recover from his endorsement of Mitch McConnell. He should have just kept his mouth shut.

I happen to think a couple people here were hired to defend Cruz and Lee.
 
They say the liberty movement grew...I dunno, I tend to think "they" just changed what it means to be for liberty to make it fit more people. Just my observation.

What does it mean to you, "to be for liberty"? How do you define that?
 
Here's the thing though, he won't just be able to flip his ideology the moment he gets in the White House. What we see, going into the election, is what we get. At best.
Of course he won't. I don't know why anyone believes that he will/can. For one thing, he will want to be re-elected. He will have to keep this game going for at least another 6 years.
 
you are dreaming. RP could NOT even win his home town county let alone his own congressional district. Mitt Romney beat RP by 29 freaking percentage points in Brazoria county. He had over 30 years to get his message to those people and probably had met almost all of them.

This is true. I don't know why anyone here still has the delusion that Ron could have won.
 
Of course he won't. I don't know why anyone believes that he will/can. For one thing, he will want to be re-elected. He will have to keep this game going for at least another 6 years.

No President, especially a constitutional president, will be able to change things overnight. Not even Ron. I remember when Ron was asked in a Q and A he held, what he would do if elected President. Ron hemmed and hawed and then said, there's not much I could do. If that is the measuring stick so many hold around here, it will be pretty damned easy for Rand to beat that.
 
What does it mean to you, "to be for liberty"? How do you define that?
To speak boldly about the stances on the issues the way Ron did. END the Fed (not just audit), blowback, closing military bases, cutting $1 trillion from budget, ending the Dept of Education and EPA, etc.
 
LOL....Must have been some serious cheating going on there. That doesn't add up at all...
Nope. All you had to do was your own polling of people in your area...not friends or family as people tent to hang with those that they agree with. Most people did NOT vote for RP.
 
To speak boldly about the stances on the issues the way Ron did. END the Fed (not just audit), blowback, cutting $1 trillion from budget, ending the Dept of Education and EPA, etc.

Ok, so SPEAKING is the end all. DOING doesn't matter at all. Ok, got it.
 
What does it mean to you, "to be for liberty"? How do you define that?

I'd define it as accepting the NAP. Yeah, that's a small number, but so what? I do agree with trying to extend the tent to those who usually support liberty though, as long as we can do so without compromising what we believe in. In my mind there's room for any small government people who oppose warmongering, but I wouldn't necessarily consider all of those people to be "for liberty" if they still support some aggression.


Of course he won't. I don't know why anyone believes that he will/can. For one thing, he will want to be re-elected. He will have to keep this game going for at least another 6 years.

This is really my issue here. What we see is what we get, at best.

This is true. I don't know why anyone here still has the delusion that Ron could have won.

I don't think he would have won, but Romney's cheating still makes me hate the GOP more. We're a bigger force than the GOP is willing to admit.
 
Doing matters, but speaking makes a big difference to. Ron used his campaign to educate. I don't necessarily feel like Rand is doing enough of that.

Drones? The 4th amendment? Syria? The NSA? He is educating and changing the national conversation. If Rand did things the exact same way that Ron did, he would be reaching the exact same people.
 
Drones? The 4th amendment? Syria? The NSA? He is educating and changing the national conversation. If Rand did things the exact same way that Ron did, he would be reaching the exact same people.

I really don't understand how anyone with half a brain could disagree with Rand on those things.
 
"Nope. All you had to do was your own polling of people in your area...not friends or family as people tent to hang with those that they agree with. Most people did NOT vote for RP. "

Then how did he get elected so many times in a row? Given that we have video proof that cheating happened all over the place I don't think its a stretch.

Also I didn't say he could have won LAST TIME. Although minus the cheating theres no telling how much better we could have done.

I'm saying if we had a chance for a redo in 2016 with same candidates. There is no reason why we couldn't take t least half the states. As I said before given what I know now we could easily quadruple our numbers here where I am.

Do any of you doubt that you couldn't do the same in your area?

(yes I know a redo won't happen)
 
Ron said he couldn't do much of anything and you supported him, as I recall.
You recall correctly. Apples and oranges. If you look back over the posts that led us here, you will see that this was not about who I will or won't support; it started as a comment on whether the liberty movement is really expanding, or (my opinion) issues are watered down to make it appear to be expanding.
 
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