Is It Time For Civil Disobedience?

[pcosmar]

Possibly so. But I don't think we have a way to quantify the relative effectiveness of the two.

Since folks are throwing links in, may I present this,
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=259512
And this,
http://www.constitution.org/cs_defen.htm
http://www.constitution.org/uslaw/defunlaw.txt

 

[Stary Hickory]

I am down with full blown Revolution...civil disobedience in a massive scale

 

[Kludge]

The time for civil disobedience has long past.

There are very many examples of when we should have done it.

Now it is too late, the people can't overcome the government anymore.

If a time comes when and election has been postponed or nullified
for some reason, that is the time for revolution.

As it stands now the government has all the keys to power and the people just
have words.

Can we overcome the riot police with rocks?

Can we shoot down drones with slingshots?

When we have this "civil disobedience" moment it will be a cause for
laughter in the halls of power.

Because it is too late.

But there is Good News.

We have labor. The government needs our productivity to thrive. If we do not labor, the government will fall. It cannot maintain police forces, buy and maintain drones, or even collect taxes if enough people refuse to pay the IRS.

 

[osan]

A nationwide talk radio show host wants to know:

Proof positive that ther eis such a thing as a stupid question.

We're at least ten years overdue. I'd be more inclined to say 87.

 

[osan]

It has been time. No one wants to be the first one (INCLUDING Mike Church), that is the problem. If he is serious lead by example.

Good point.

 

[eOs]

you old farts are as bad as the chicken hawk neocons. We've got plenty of potential doing this the legal way.

 

[FrankRep]

Civil Disobedience:

100+ Christian Pastors to Defy the Federal Government, Internal Revenue Service (IRS)
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=261913

 

[osan]

The time for civil disobedience has long past.

That it is long overdue does not mean it is no longer viable. Now more than ever we need to engage in such action and it ought to be done very peacefully. That paints the enforcers into a tight corner where they either have to cede the powers they have usurped, or they must escalate into physical violence for the rest of us to see.

There are very many examples of when we should have done it.

Agreed. We're lazy, on the whole. Very. Unforgivably.

Now it is too late, the people can't overcome the government anymore.

That is an unproven assertion. I doubt that it is true. What is true, however, is that overcoming them will now be a whole lot more costly. If we fail to overcome, it will probably be due to said laziness.

As it stands now the government has all the keys to power and the people just
have words.

We have a LOT of guns, unlike most other nations. And the loyalties of the armed forces to the enforcers is anything but guaranteed. Police don't worry me that much. If it comes to blows and they side unwisely, they will become effectively extinct in a few short days.

Can we overcome the riot police with rocks?

This question presupposes that there are no other alternatives. There are plenty. It is not a question of material means nearly as much of will. Do we have the will? I am often in very serious doubt over this.

 

[Liberty4life]

The rock vs riot police is just an example of how little technological
firepower the people have vs the government.

 

[goopc]

Pacifism is the best way to create liberty. Suppose the founding fathers did it:

http://books.google.com/books?id=l5...&resnum=2&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false

 

[pcosmar]

The rock vs riot police is just an example of how little technological
firepower the people have vs the government.

Guess again.
Among us are many Ex-Military. Some with Combat experience, some in logistics or Intel.
We have Scientists, Builders, Inventors.

There are more arms and ammunition in the hands of the American public than in the Armies of China and India combined.

And don't even doubt the shit that rednecks can put together in the barns and garages all across this land.

Guess again.

 

[Liberty4life]

Guess again.
Among us are many Ex-Military. Some with Combat experience, some in logistics or Intel.
We have Scientists, Builders, Inventors.

There are more arms and ammunition in the hands of the American public than in the Armies of China and India combined.

And don't even doubt the shit that rednecks can put together in the barns and garages all across this land.

Guess again.

Touche'

 

[QueenB4Liberty]

Guess again.
Among us are many Ex-Military. Some with Combat experience, some in logistics or Intel.
We have Scientists, Builders, Inventors.

There are more arms and ammunition in the hands of the American public than in the Armies of China and India combined.

And don't even doubt the shit that rednecks can put together in the barns and garages all across this land.

Guess again.

I wish there were that many on our side. I'm highly skeptical.

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

The time for civil disobedience has long past.

There are very many examples of when we should have done it.

Now it is too late, the people can't overcome the government anymore.

If a time comes when and election has been postponed or nullified
for some reason, that is the time for revolution.

As it stands now the government has all the keys to power and the people just
have words.

Can we overcome the riot police with rocks?

Can we shoot down drones with slingshots?

When we have this "civil disobedience" moment it will be a cause for
laughter in the halls of power.

Because it is too late.

But there is Good News.

It is never too late for civil disobedience. Have you heard of the velvet revolution? If the Czech's can overthrow the Communist Regime there, without shooting a shot, why can't we do the same here?

If the Czech's can mobilize 500,000 to a million in peaceful civil disobedience, why can't us Americans with a history of non-cooperation and rebellion get 10 million?

 

[FSP-Rebel]

If any of you have been a listener to Free Talk Live, you'd know that CD has been going on in various places of NH for years now. They talk about actual CD events as well as the concept itself quite often. However, it's nice to see Church talking about it.

 

[PreDeadMan]

The point is not to use violence against the government or any people. The point is to EXPOSE the government for the violent gang that they are by not fighting back and just not cooperating with their stupid demands. If people who are statists see the government for the violent institution it is, it will change their whole perspective on everything

 

[heavenlyboy34]

It is never too late for civil disobedience. Have you heard of the velvet revolution? If the Czech's can overthrow the Communist Regime there, without shooting a shot, why can't we do the same here?

If the Czech's can mobilize 500,000 to a million in peaceful civil disobedience, why can't us Americans with a history of non-cooperation and rebellion get 10 million?

Because as long as people can live relatively comfortably under tyranny (i.e.-getting welfare, bailouts, etc), they won't rebel. It is only when it becomes severely uncomfortable will the bourgois Americans (spoiled by the age of easy money) be motivated to rebel.

 

[Anti Federalist]

It is never too late for civil disobedience. Have you heard of the velvet revolution? If the Czech's can overthrow the Communist Regime there, without shooting a shot, why can't we do the same here?

If the Czech's can mobilize 500,000 to a million in peaceful civil disobedience, why can't us Americans with a history of non-cooperation and rebellion get 10 million?

Because even here, on this site, filled with people who should know better, there are state apologists and panty wetters that don't have the balls to even think about it.

In this thread,

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=261738

where our very own Reason, not even committing CD but obeying and following the law, and there were detractors.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Because even here, on this site, filled with people who should know better, there are state apologists and panty wetters that don't have the balls to even think about it.

In this thread, where our very own Reason, not even committing CD but obeying and following the law, and there were detractors.

QFT!...and it's a darned shame.

 

[osan]

If the Czech's can overthrow the Communist Regime there, without shooting a shot, why can't we do the same here?

If the Czech's can mobilize 500,000 to a million in peaceful civil disobedience, why can't us Americans with a history of non-cooperation and rebellion get 10 million?

That, my friend, is the $64 question. Why, indeed.