Is it immoral to hire a most likely illegal mexican immigrant to do the yard work?

[specialkornflake]

The form of the question makes it unanswerable.

1. Is it immoral to pay an illegal immigrant in exchange for a service?
2. Is it immoral to pay a human in exchange for a service?
3. What is the difference between an illegal immigrant and a human?

The fact they're from Mexico and the fact they're doing yard work is irrelevant (I know you were just using as an example but the fundamental question does not involve these attributes)

Once you answer those three questions, your OP will be answered.

I agree, great points.
I would say it is not immoral.

 

[UnReconstructed]

racism

 

[Pauliana]

its immoral to let the state dictate your morals to you. The law is not morality.

In fact, the law is an ass.

 

[UnReconstructed]

its immoral to let the state dictate your morals to you. The law is not morality.

In fact, the law is an ass.

word

 

[krazy kaju]

There's no such thing as an illegal person.

 

[KenInMontiMN]

The moral choice would be to propose exchanging the labor for a bus ticket home, at about double the ticket value / labor rate ratio the man was willing to work for, in order to expedite the agreement to conclusion. Otherwise you leave him broke, in no better subsistence condition that you found him in, and looking for tomorrow's meal in the same manner.

 

[bill50]

Not really immoral, but it won't help your local economy as much as it would have if you had hired a legal person

Because then the hiring of a legal can help our economy by you paying a payroll tax. Then that legal can go ahead and help our economy by paying income taxes in the range of 30-40% Nothing like good old free enterprise in America!

 

[risk_reward]

The moral choice would be to propose exchanging the labor for a bus ticket home, at about double the ticket value / labor rate ratio the man was willing to work for, in order to expedite the agreement to conclusion. Otherwise you leave him broke, in no better subsistence condition that you found him in, and looking for tomorrow's meal in the same manner.

You are the first person ever that has maintained that working makes you broke. I suppose that eating starves you to death and breathing makes you suffocate. I mean maybe some neocon on redstate would come up with complete nonsense like this, but I thought Ron Paul was inspiring people to learn about economics. Maybe not you.

The only way your comment makes any sense is if you think that welfare is the only way to live above subsistence and that he would qualify for welfare in Mexico and not here.

I look for tomorrow's meal by working in the same manner everyday, too. I suppose I'm barely surviving.

 

[Dunedain]

I'd consider you a traitor to the nation. You are giving money to a foreign enemy invader that has no legal right to be here.

 

[risk_reward]

I'd consider you a traitor to the nation. You are giving money to an enemy invader that has no legal right to be here.

You are the enemy invader

 

[risk_reward]

Hiring illegals makes you a patriot.

 

[Isaac Bickerstaff]

You are the first person ever that has maintained that working makes you broke. I suppose that eating starves you to death and breathing makes you suffocate. I mean maybe some neocon on redstate would come up with complete nonsense like this, but I thought Ron Paul was inspiring people to learn about economics. Maybe not you.

The only way your comment makes any sense is if you think that welfare is the only way to live above subsistence and that he would qualify for welfare in Mexico and not here.

I look for tomorrow's meal by working in the same manner everyday, too. I suppose I'm barely surviving.

Be careful. . .
A deeper understanding of monetary theory will have you eating crow.

 

[Dieseler]

You lazy motherfuckers gonna be cutting your own grass pretty soon, that is if you have a yard to cut.
Same for cleaning the house.
Do what the fuck you want.

 

[AutoDas]

lol I think it's hilarious how people hire illegals to cut their grass, trying to keep up with the Joneses makes them look so desperate.

 

[RideTheDirt]

Is it moral to pay for services to someone who will submit some of that money to the tyrannical police state?

that---^

 

[YumYum]

Since everybody in this movement is pro-undocumented worker, we need to go after the illegals with the message of Freedom and Liberty. They need to read this thread, and other threads on this board, to see how much they are wanted and needed, and when Obama gives them amnesty next year they will vote along side with us.

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Since everybody in this movement is pro-undocumented worker, we need to go after the illegals with the message of Freedom and Liberty. They need to read this thread, and other threads on this board, to see how much they are wanted and needed, and when Obama gives them amnesty next year they will vote along side with us.

We are pro-private property. Good to see you have mastered the language of obfuscation.

Secondly, not everyone who isn't a pawn of the State is an illegal. For example, the current agorist movement.

 

[pacelli]

The homeless people I've offered to pay for physical labor on the farm didn't want silver coin and preferred to stand on the median strip with their hand out for FRNs all day. The Latinos who hang out at the BP gas station are always ready to work hard for silver coin.

 

[romacox]

I am of Mexican decent. My Father was 3/4 Mexican, so I am almost half. Years ago my favorite Uncle came her illegally before becoming a U.S. Citizen. So I have a great respect, admiration and love for the Mexicans who have contributed much to this society. Mexicans respect and take care of their family (Very close family ties), something that has been lost in the American culture. Mexicans also have an understanding of love (Mi Vida) that is beautiful. I hope my Mexican friends retain this part of their culture, and teach it to the Gringo.

It is not about anti Mexican. The reason the Constitution gives the Federal Government the power to regulate Naturalization is because if immigrants are brought into the American way of life faster than they can be assimilated, we are assimilated instead of them. Which means we find ourselves with conditions that made Mexicans leave Mexico in the first place. Securing borders works like the firewall in a computer...it lets in the good effects, and keeps out the bad effects. That is the purpose of regulating immigration numbers.

My Grandmother (fantastic lady) was a Redando. Still today a picture of one of My Redando relatives hangs in the one of the Arizona State buildings. You see Mexicans were instrumental in bringing Arizona and California into the Union. They were very successful and wealthy land owners there (owned large ranches, vineyards). My family was among those who had Ranch land taken.

After those States entered the Union the Mexicans were highly respected, and held public office for many years. But once gold was found, things changed. You see most of the land was owned by Indians and Mexicans (who got along very well). So, for the white Americans to obtain the gold ridden land they declared that if one had one drop of Indian blood in him he could not testify against a white man.

Juan Muretta owned a good gold producing mine, and some white men waited for him to leave his property to sell some gold. They then raided his home, raped his wife, and took possession of his land. He went to his friend, the Sheriff for help. The sheriff told him there was nothing he could do as a Mexican because he could not testify against these white men. Juan took revenge, and became a "Mexican Robin Hood", stealing from the rich white man, an giving to the once wealthy Mexicans who were now poor because their property had been taken in the name of Gold. That, my friend, gave rise to the Legend of Zoro. Today this story is told among the Mexicans who hold Muretta as a hero.

There are some Mexicans who truly desire to become American citizens. But there is also a movement called Recontista. Recontista means to re-conquer: take the land back that once belonged to Mexico and President Calderone promotes it. http://mayorsam.blogspot.com/2006/06...r-tuesday.html

So you will recognize the word when you hear it it is enunciated this way: ree (note r is pronounced like a very short motor boat sound) cone tee s tu

So if you hire illegal workers or illegal employers think about what you might be supporting for the future of this Country and that of our children and grandchildren. It is however wise to hire legal immigrants.

 

[YumYum]

We are pro-private property. Good to see you have mastered the language of obfuscation.

Secondly, not everyone who isn't a pawn of the State is an illegal. For example, the current agorist movement.

We welcome them too! The FEMA camps have lots of room!