Sometimes interviews are just for companies to say they tried to find qualified workers and couldn't find them, thus they need more foreign workers to come in on visas. They have to prove they tried to hire Americans before they can hire foreigners with work visas if they want to follow the law. Seriously, Americans are being discriminated against in their own nation for jobs in favor of foreigners here on work visas.
Is College A Scam?
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Sometimes interviews are just for companies to say they tried to find qualified workers and couldn't find them, thus they need more foreign workers to come in on visas. They have to prove they tried to hire Americans before they can hire foreigners with work visas if they want to follow the law. Seriously, Americans are being discriminated against in their own nation for jobs in favor of foreigners here on work visas.
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And the same thing is happening in their countries. We are all being displaced out of our everything.
Mostly college is a scam. College is good for some subjects and specialized training, but most of what's taught is a waste, and in all cases the prices are inflated. The best instruction I received in college was at a community college. Many of the professors I had at university were terrible teachers. The best education I got (outside life experience) was the Navy Nuclear Power Program. However, most of what I learned there should have (and could have) been taught in high school. My high school education was very poor. I believe most people would not benefit from formal education beyond high school, and a good program should graduate the students by age 16.
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Whatever you choose, do everything with passion and take complete pride in your work. I started off washing dishes- and I made positive every single fork and knife and plate was squeaky clean. Now I'm wiring up complex testing/audit systems for major appliance manufacturers and servicing other corporations electrical systems.
I am valuable not because of who I know, or what I can do even- i am valuable because the people who hire me know that they will get top quality work and a honest day's work.
Be valuable. Be better than everyone else.
I am valuable not because of who I know, or what I can do even- i am valuable because the people who hire me know that they will get top quality work and a honest day's work.
Be valuable. Be better than everyone else.
Correlation is not causation.
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This.
And unfortunately a good day's work has been lost on the average American. I couldn't count the number of times I've had to work with people who are either lazy and do the bare minimum, or they are whiners and bitch and moan the whole day.
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It also neglects to point out that the graph has very little to do with happiness. People going to college incur those costs at a very crucial time in their lives. The reason our society winds up in so much debt is that all of those costs hit at the same time, and most people accept that going into debt to cover all the "must have" events is a good thing. Wedding, college loan, credit cards, first house, a kid or two, a car for each of you....
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It does not matter what anyone says, there is almost no benefit from that piece of paper that is worth 2-4 years of drudgery, torture, and expense. I am approaching my 7th year of college (had to take the 6th off) because I should never have gone. Now, I am so close to the end, I kind of have to finish up. I tell everyone I know your age and below to get out while you can. You are going for a music degree? lmao good luck with using that anywhere. Unless you want to teach music, its useless. If you want to play or anything else, just play. I mean Armin has a law degree, but thats a separate issue entirely. He is also superhuman.
In any case, its still early enough in the semester to drop out. I would if I were you. Drop out, get a job in Nevada, and figure out where you are going. You might also want to consider moving to North Dakota. There are loads of jobs there in oil, mining, and support services. Housing is limited, so it may be worth buying an RV in Nevada. The most important thing is you need to do something, even if its cashiering or waiting tables. That gets you producing, gets you some money, and shows future employers that you might be worth something. Take a look at craigslist and other sites to see what type of experience is wanted. Some jobs want 1-2, 3 or even more years experience in restaurants, retail, etc. So get that now. If I could go back, I would do a lot of things differently.
Most importantly, you can ALWAYS go back to college later. You can never get these years of youth back.
In any case, its still early enough in the semester to drop out. I would if I were you. Drop out, get a job in Nevada, and figure out where you are going. You might also want to consider moving to North Dakota. There are loads of jobs there in oil, mining, and support services. Housing is limited, so it may be worth buying an RV in Nevada. The most important thing is you need to do something, even if its cashiering or waiting tables. That gets you producing, gets you some money, and shows future employers that you might be worth something. Take a look at craigslist and other sites to see what type of experience is wanted. Some jobs want 1-2, 3 or even more years experience in restaurants, retail, etc. So get that now. If I could go back, I would do a lot of things differently.
Most importantly, you can ALWAYS go back to college later. You can never get these years of youth back.
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If you need more proof about the hell that is college:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ack-star-Madison-Holleran-19-jumps-death.html
College simply is not for everyone and people need to realize that.
You either become a drunken debaucherist who follows orders, or you feel isolated, depressed and suicidal. I almost took the latter route and even vented my frustrations with life here on RPF once or twice. Fortunately I was able to pull thru, but not many have that strength, hope, and endurance.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ack-star-Madison-Holleran-19-jumps-death.html
College simply is not for everyone and people need to realize that.
You either become a drunken debaucherist who follows orders, or you feel isolated, depressed and suicidal. I almost took the latter route and even vented my frustrations with life here on RPF once or twice. Fortunately I was able to pull thru, but not many have that strength, hope, and endurance.
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Agreed.
Or a third option: you're a happy, stable adult who studies, works hard, has a little fun, and earns your degree.
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Congrats to the OP for thinking independently at a young age. I just finished Robert Greene's book "Mastery" and I think it would be a great resource for someone in your position. Here's a short summary of its points, but I strongly encourage you to read the whole book if you can:
(From http://addicted2success.com/success...ssons-in-the-art-of-mastery-by-robert-greene/
1 - Understand who you truly are, and what kind of vocation or career you feel called to do.
2 - Commit to an apprenticeship, in which you undergo years of humble observation, skill acquisition, and experimentation.
3 - Revert to a feeling of inferiority, and possess and deep humility and eagerness to learn from others.
4 - Move toward resistance and pain, let go of need for comfort/security, and cross the threshold past the initial tedious stages of learning.
5 - After apprenticeship phase, you must become bold, confident, and willing to test out skills and make connections between different ideas.
6 - Learn to embrace criticism and failure, and be grateful for the opportunity to learn and improve as a result of your mistakes.
7 - Understand that there is an emotional component, not intellectual, that separates the true masters from others.
8 - Develop your social intelligence, and your ability to empathetically put yourself in another person’s shoes and see/understand things from his or her perspective.
9 - Move past the habitual tendency to judge others or idealize/demonize them, and simply observe them rather than projecting your own thoughts, emotions, or insecurities onto them.
10 - You must be wary of many peoples’ tendencies to display certain vices that could hinder your progress, such as: envy, conformism, rigidity, self-obsessiveness, laziness, flightiness, and passive aggression.
11 - Learn to speak through your work, and to win others to your side of thinking by being patient and letting what you have done speak for itself.
12 - Try to see yourself as other see you, so that you can remain emotionally detached and try to improve upon your flaws and shortcomings.
13 - Suffer fools gladly, and don’t take criticism seriously or personally from people who don’t know what they’re talking about.
14 - Return to your childlike sense of wonder and endless curiosity about all things in order to stimulate your creative energy.
15 - Drop all preconceived notions about he world, and utilize the power of your imagination to the fullest.
16 - Always be open and receptive to new ideas that challenge conventionality, and don’t be afraid of thinking something that is unpopular.
17 - Love learning for its own sake, and connect a wide array of ideas from different fields of study and disciplines.
18 - Maintain a sense of destiny/purpose and feel consciously connected to it.
19 - Qualities that will help you succeed: Self-discipline, desire, persistence, focus, effort, patience, energy, obsessiveness, observance, confidence, trust in self, emotional commitment, humility, adaptability, boldness, openness.
20 - Qualities that hinder your success: Complacency, conservatism, dependency, impatience, grandiosity, inflexibility, distractibility, becoming egotistical, close-mindedness.
(From http://addicted2success.com/success...ssons-in-the-art-of-mastery-by-robert-greene/
1 - Understand who you truly are, and what kind of vocation or career you feel called to do.
2 - Commit to an apprenticeship, in which you undergo years of humble observation, skill acquisition, and experimentation.
3 - Revert to a feeling of inferiority, and possess and deep humility and eagerness to learn from others.
4 - Move toward resistance and pain, let go of need for comfort/security, and cross the threshold past the initial tedious stages of learning.
5 - After apprenticeship phase, you must become bold, confident, and willing to test out skills and make connections between different ideas.
6 - Learn to embrace criticism and failure, and be grateful for the opportunity to learn and improve as a result of your mistakes.
7 - Understand that there is an emotional component, not intellectual, that separates the true masters from others.
8 - Develop your social intelligence, and your ability to empathetically put yourself in another person’s shoes and see/understand things from his or her perspective.
9 - Move past the habitual tendency to judge others or idealize/demonize them, and simply observe them rather than projecting your own thoughts, emotions, or insecurities onto them.
10 - You must be wary of many peoples’ tendencies to display certain vices that could hinder your progress, such as: envy, conformism, rigidity, self-obsessiveness, laziness, flightiness, and passive aggression.
11 - Learn to speak through your work, and to win others to your side of thinking by being patient and letting what you have done speak for itself.
12 - Try to see yourself as other see you, so that you can remain emotionally detached and try to improve upon your flaws and shortcomings.
13 - Suffer fools gladly, and don’t take criticism seriously or personally from people who don’t know what they’re talking about.
14 - Return to your childlike sense of wonder and endless curiosity about all things in order to stimulate your creative energy.
15 - Drop all preconceived notions about he world, and utilize the power of your imagination to the fullest.
16 - Always be open and receptive to new ideas that challenge conventionality, and don’t be afraid of thinking something that is unpopular.
17 - Love learning for its own sake, and connect a wide array of ideas from different fields of study and disciplines.
18 - Maintain a sense of destiny/purpose and feel consciously connected to it.
19 - Qualities that will help you succeed: Self-discipline, desire, persistence, focus, effort, patience, energy, obsessiveness, observance, confidence, trust in self, emotional commitment, humility, adaptability, boldness, openness.
20 - Qualities that hinder your success: Complacency, conservatism, dependency, impatience, grandiosity, inflexibility, distractibility, becoming egotistical, close-mindedness.
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Heres a link to a really great interview with Robert Greene that directly pertains to twenty-something's looking for strategies to figure out their best fit for a career and how to be successful at it:
http://www.stansberryradio.com/Port...reene-How-to-Become-a-Master-of-What-You-Love
http://www.stansberryradio.com/Port...reene-How-to-Become-a-Master-of-What-You-Love
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This is a good interview. Mastery is an incredible, break-through book. I love Mastery.
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Some really great advice in this thread, OP. Here's my two cents' worth, even if I tend to ramble on a bit...
First I'll echo what others have mentioned: Whether or not your chosen path takes you through college, take pride in what you do and be damn good at it. No, be the BEST at it. There is a lot of competition out there in any field with more coming up through collegiate programs each year (thank you Federal Loan program), so you MUST be at the top of the heap. I'm a musician myself and sailed through undergrad and grad school conservatories on large music scholarships. I had the talent and the drive. If you or people you know are in this category (high intelligence or talent in a particular area), you must encourage them to work hard and attend the best school they can get into. This will set you up for success once you graduate, as the gatekeepers of these artistic industries look for schools first on a resume.
I spent the summer with a young violinist from Julliard who Lorin Maazel took under his wing. He recently won the international Tchaikovsky violin competition. Yes, he's talented, but not the most talented. Yes, he has a high musical aptitude and learns music quickly. This is not uncommon. The difference is that he often practiced long into the night (I lived next door to him) and was competitive and driven to the point of insanity. We went running together one day and (no joke) he ran 10 steps ahead of me the whole run and did hundreds of situps when we finished. These are the kind of people who succeed at the expense of personal relationships. They are obsessed about what they do and won't stop until they're the best because they know deep down they have the talent to become the best.
College should be used as a tool to advance yourself in a particular area. You seem like a good writer, there's something to shoot for. But you must be the best writer, which means write for yourself and your passions, not to please others. Do it because you're fascinated by writing and language and studying great writers and how they changed the world. Write because you can't live another day without sharing your unique ability with the world. Don't settle, don't back down in the face of failure and never give up. This is what it takes.
First I'll echo what others have mentioned: Whether or not your chosen path takes you through college, take pride in what you do and be damn good at it. No, be the BEST at it. There is a lot of competition out there in any field with more coming up through collegiate programs each year (thank you Federal Loan program), so you MUST be at the top of the heap. I'm a musician myself and sailed through undergrad and grad school conservatories on large music scholarships. I had the talent and the drive. If you or people you know are in this category (high intelligence or talent in a particular area), you must encourage them to work hard and attend the best school they can get into. This will set you up for success once you graduate, as the gatekeepers of these artistic industries look for schools first on a resume.
I spent the summer with a young violinist from Julliard who Lorin Maazel took under his wing. He recently won the international Tchaikovsky violin competition. Yes, he's talented, but not the most talented. Yes, he has a high musical aptitude and learns music quickly. This is not uncommon. The difference is that he often practiced long into the night (I lived next door to him) and was competitive and driven to the point of insanity. We went running together one day and (no joke) he ran 10 steps ahead of me the whole run and did hundreds of situps when we finished. These are the kind of people who succeed at the expense of personal relationships. They are obsessed about what they do and won't stop until they're the best because they know deep down they have the talent to become the best.
College should be used as a tool to advance yourself in a particular area. You seem like a good writer, there's something to shoot for. But you must be the best writer, which means write for yourself and your passions, not to please others. Do it because you're fascinated by writing and language and studying great writers and how they changed the world. Write because you can't live another day without sharing your unique ability with the world. Don't settle, don't back down in the face of failure and never give up. This is what it takes.
I know many people my age (late 20s early 30s) with college degrees, that now think this way of "College is a scam.", or just a waste in general.
I would say this, if you're starting out.
BE SPECIFIC.
Find a SPECIFIC FIELD, and major in it.
Medical degrees are still in high demand in many (most from what I know) areas. Here are a few degrees/certifications to try for in this field:
1) Medical Technology (shortage in this field), and doesn't require patient contact (just working with the bodily fluids, running the tests on them).
2) Radiology (CT Scans, MRIs, UltraSound)
3) Nursing
Those fields, almost guarantee you a job upon completing your degree/certification.
If you are looking for other work, without a college degree, I would suggest:
1) Welding.
I have family and friends that do this, and make good money. Problem with this, is that it's usually very area specific. If you can get to Texas/Louisiana, maybe even North Dakota now, where oil is big, this is a good way to go for good money and "job security". Health is an issue for welders.
Oil-field:
1) Off-Shore
No degree required. Make INCREDIBLE money. Problem is, scheduling. Not necessarily the best for families, or those that like being around friends/family often.
I have two friends. One graduated high school, no college at all. He's making INCREDIBLE money off-shore now, and started right out of high school in it.
It just really depends what you enjoy, and being specific. Doing so early on, before "settling down" is much easier. The problem I have with colleges, is they would offer degrees in under-water-basket weaving, if they could get funding for it.
They will often offer degrees, that have little/no job placement/benefits upon receiving them.
I would say this, if you're starting out.
BE SPECIFIC.
Find a SPECIFIC FIELD, and major in it.
Medical degrees are still in high demand in many (most from what I know) areas. Here are a few degrees/certifications to try for in this field:
1) Medical Technology (shortage in this field), and doesn't require patient contact (just working with the bodily fluids, running the tests on them).
2) Radiology (CT Scans, MRIs, UltraSound)
3) Nursing
Those fields, almost guarantee you a job upon completing your degree/certification.
If you are looking for other work, without a college degree, I would suggest:
1) Welding.
I have family and friends that do this, and make good money. Problem with this, is that it's usually very area specific. If you can get to Texas/Louisiana, maybe even North Dakota now, where oil is big, this is a good way to go for good money and "job security". Health is an issue for welders.
Oil-field:
1) Off-Shore
No degree required. Make INCREDIBLE money. Problem is, scheduling. Not necessarily the best for families, or those that like being around friends/family often.
I have two friends. One graduated high school, no college at all. He's making INCREDIBLE money off-shore now, and started right out of high school in it.
It just really depends what you enjoy, and being specific. Doing so early on, before "settling down" is much easier. The problem I have with colleges, is they would offer degrees in under-water-basket weaving, if they could get funding for it.
They will often offer degrees, that have little/no job placement/benefits upon receiving them.
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Good advice. I'd personally recommend those capable to look into computer sciences. It's a growing field for the ingenious and the able. (I certainly couldn't do it)
Modern day college is a scam used to bring un-payable debt to the majority of the youth. The benefits do not outweigh the consequence of it, often. Regardless of if they get a job in the field.
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