Is anybody willing to defend the porno scans and body gropes?

[qh4dotcom]

The TSA patdowns are disgusting and abusive but I look at it this way since there is nothing I can do to stop this. First, thousands of folks who voted for Obama are being molested by the TSA, no need to feel sorry for them, they are getting the change that they voted for. Second, something has to wake them up, something has to make them realize that liberty is more important than security. If a government employee groping their genitals and the genitals of their family / children doesn't wake them up, I don't know what else will.

Sadly, there is a price that needs to be paid for waking up the sheeple.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Just curious.

Anybody?

Usually there is at least one devil's advocate out there.

I'd seriously like to see the argument.

OK I'll give you a devils advocate to totally freaking out a young kid: I worked EMS when I was just out of - well, thinking of it in my last part of HS... and was doing a ER rotation. This YOUNG kid came in, young... maybe in the 5-7yo range... So he was hurting and according to the doc NEEDED some shot to keep him alive - he was obviously hurting... there were like 6 of us trying to hold him down and I got to be the "heavy" on top - trying to press him down so we could give him an IM.... Immobilize him... he started screaming about my hurting him, so I eased up at which point he started thrashing so I had to press down harder - then we were able to immobilize him enough to get the IM shot in the kid... (think broken needles - we NEEDED the kid to be still - for a sec or two...)

So am I a thug? - I was trying to help the kid and acting under orders of a doc in concert with MOST of the ER staff on duty at that time???? Still - he HATED it and tried to fight it off...

IDK...

-t

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

The TSA patdowns are disgusting and abusive but I look at it this way since there is nothing I can do to stop this. First, thousands of folks who voted for Obama are being molested by the TSA, no need to feel sorry for them, they are getting the change that they voted for. Second, something has to wake them up, something has to make them realize that liberty is more important than security. If a government employee groping their genitals and the genitals of their family / children doesn't wake them up, I don't know what else will.

Sadly, there is a price that needs to be paid for waking up the sheeple.

Yeah - except, unfortunatly they will BLAME IT ON BUSH!!!!

-t

 

[>shaw]

I'm not sure if this was already mentioned.

But from what I understand after 9/11(which was staged) the doors to the cockpit were HEAVILY reinforced the pilots will not open the door to ANYONE no matter how many hostages are killed.


So a hijacking is not a possibilty.

Indeed they could still blow the plane up!
However a terrorist group can already blow buses, movie theaters and all kinds of shit up.
So to argue for tsa body scanners/molestation at airports you may as well be in favor of the same thing for buses and walking into high populated buildings

 

[Anti Federalist]

But from what I understand after 9/11(which was staged) the doors to the cockpit were HEAVILY reinforced the pilots will not open the door to ANYONE no matter how many hostages are killed.

So to argue for tsa body scanners/molestation at airports you may as well be in favor of the same thing for buses and walking into high populated buildings

Welcome aboard Shaw.

And yes, 9/11 was a staged false flag.

That said, you can count on it.

TSA already has plans to roll out airport style "security" all across the country, trains, subways, buses, highways, large public gatherings...

It's stop it right here, right now, or resign yourself and your 8 year old daughters to being felt up by a government "officer" on the side of some dark road somewhere.

 

[moostraks]

Welcome aboard Shaw.

And yes, 9/11 was a staged false flag.

That said, you can count on it.

TSA already has plans to roll out airport style "security" all across the country, trains, subways, buses, highways, large public gatherings...

It's stop it right here, right now, or resign yourself and your 8 year old daughters to being felt up by a government "officer" on the side of some dark road somewhere.

Hey AF I talked about a situation at my local juvenile jail by a TSA agent in training who works for the local sheriff's department. She was pissed at us for my not wanting to comply with removing my glasses and she spat out how we better get used to these invasive searches because they are going to be instituted everywhere and we would be forced to comply. This is a small town, low level sheriff's department hack making those comments and just relishing the power trip of control they think they will control. I was shocked to hear it from someone so local as it brought all the 'conspiracy theories' on it home as opposed to some distant individual supposing of some slippery slopes. They are training these megalomaniac jerks already to make us comply....

 

[Anti Federalist]

Hey AF I talked about a situation at my local juvenile jail by a TSA agent in training who works for the local sheriff's department. She was pissed at us for my not wanting to comply with removing my glasses and she spat out how we better get used to these invasive searches because they are going to be instituted everywhere and we would be forced to comply. This is a small town, low level sheriff's department hack making those comments and just relishing the power trip of control they think they will control. I was shocked to hear it from someone so local as it brought all the 'conspiracy theories' on it home as opposed to some distant individual supposing of some slippery slopes. They are training these megalomaniac jerks already to make us comply....

Thank you for posting that!!!

While sorry to hear about your encounter with the local Hauptscharführer it's certainly an eye opener.

Do you mind if I re-post this around the interwebz?

 

[eric_cartman]

barry defends them

YouTube - Obama Tells Americans: Get in Line and Get Your TSA Gropings

 

[moostraks]

Thank you for posting that!!!

While sorry to hear about your encounter with the local Hauptscharführer it's certainly an eye opener.

Do you mind if I re-post this around the interwebz?

Nope...feel free!

 

[Anti Federalist]

OK I'll give you a devils advocate to totally freaking out a young kid: I worked EMS when I was just out of - well, thinking of it in my last part of HS... and was doing a ER rotation. This YOUNG kid came in, young... maybe in the 5-7yo range... So he was hurting and according to the doc NEEDED some shot to keep him alive - he was obviously hurting... there were like 6 of us trying to hold him down and I got to be the "heavy" on top - trying to press him down so we could give him an IM.... Immobilize him... he started screaming about my hurting him, so I eased up at which point he started thrashing so I had to press down harder - then we were able to immobilize him enough to get the IM shot in the kid... (think broken needles - we NEEDED the kid to be still - for a sec or two...)

So am I a thug? - I was trying to help the kid and acting under orders of a doc in concert with MOST of the ER staff on duty at that time???? Still - he HATED it and tried to fight it off...

IDK...

-t

In this case, no, it would be the same as restraining someone from hurting themselves during an epileptic seizure.

Not restraining them so you could feel them up.

Apples and bowling balls as far as I'm concerned,

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

BOYCOTT AIRPORT AND AIR TRAVEL ALL TOGETHER.

Take the money away from the TSA, Airlines, and Airports, and you'll see just how fast things change.

 

[Anti Federalist]

barry defends them

YouTube - Obama Tells Americans: Get in Line and Get Your TSA Gropings

Yah, fuck him, too.

He'll never have to suffer through one, or his daughters, or his wife.

Now, be silent, Mundane.

 

[amy31416]

BOYCOTT AIRPORT AND AIR TRAVEL ALL TOGETHER.

Take the money away from the TSA, Airlines, and Airports, and you'll see just how fast things change.

I certainly support such a boycott, but I suspect the gov't will just bail them out.

 

[jmdrake]

The Israelis COULD TEACH PEOPLE ABOUT EFFECTIVE SECURITY WITHOUT ALL THE INVASIVE STUFF . In Europe , you do not take your shoes off .

No. Profiling wasn't needed to stop the "undie bomber" and it wouldn't have worked either. He wasn't middle eastern, had only recently become muslim, and came from a country that was not known for Islamic extremism. Plus he didn't board an airplane in the U.S.

Here's the deal. His dad told us ahead of time he was a terrorist. That's all the intelligence that was needed. No "profiling", no "pat downs" and no "porno scans". Our government made the conscious decision not to revoke his Visa or to put him on their silly "no fly" list.

The answer to terrorism (assuming it's not all "inside jobs" anyway) is simple. Hold the politicians and civil servants accountable for their "failures". In the old days if a soldier fell asleep on guard duty he was given a court martial and then shot. Now if a TSA agent leaves his post and two star crossed lovers steal a kiss at the airport, nothing happens to him, but a nationwide search is launched for the "lip bandit".

 

[Anti Federalist]

No. Profiling wasn't needed to stop the "undie bomber" and it wouldn't have worked either. He wasn't middle eastern, had only recently become muslim, and came from a country that was not known for Islamic extremism. Plus he didn't board an airplane in the U.S.

Here's the deal. His dad told us ahead of time he was a terrorist. That's all the intelligence that was needed. No "profiling", no "pat downs" and no "porno scans". Our government made the conscious decision not to revoke his Visa or to put him on their silly "no fly" list.

The answer to terrorism (assuming it's not all "inside jobs" anyway) is simple. Hold the politicians and civil servants accountable for their "failures". In the old days if a soldier fell asleep on guard duty he was given a court martial and then shot. Now if a TSA agent leaves his post and two star crossed lovers steal a kiss at the airport, nothing happens to him, but a nationwide search is launched for the "lip bandit".

And provided government cover for him to board a plane, with no passport no screening and a personal government assistant.

 

[jmdrake]

And provided government cover for him to board a plane, with no passport no screening and a personal government assistant.

Yep. I'm familiar with the "sharp dressed man" part of the story. Of course some of our more conspiracyphobic brethren get nervous when we bring stuff like that up. Still, even with the part of the story that the MSM is willing to admit, the whole undie bomber thing stinks to high heaven.