Is a neo-con welcome?

[Spirit of '76]

That reply makes no sense in regards to my statement.

I was simply saying that I don't believe he wanted to discuss his philosophy with this specific thread, but rather elsewhere.

Thank you for clarifying. I mistakenly thought you were implying that he should confine himself to this single thread.

 

[Todd]

I am a former Neo Con...so yes you are welcome.

 

[fase2000tdi]

Until someone violates the rights of others, they should not be punished. You're kind of a dick for supporting drug laws.

 

[Ozwest]

No, I'll take The Interceptor

with a REAL supercharger.

Leave it to those wiley 'ol Aussies to make a motorhead's dream, even if it has the steering wheel on the wrong side

God forbid.

White stripe fever!

Put your bollocks on the table.

 

[Mongoose470]

God forbid.

White stripe fever!

Put your bollocks on the table.

Nevermind the bollocks, here's the Goosemobile!

http://s277.photobucket.com/albums/...oosemobile/?action=view&current=camaro007.jpg

 

[LibertyEagle]

As to foreign policy, I do support the war on terrorists and our involvement in foreign nation as essential to maintaining our (probably temporary) position as world leader. And actually, no, I don't think Islamic fundamentalism is the greatest danger to us. Rivals, such as China, Russia, Japan, the EU, and India are, as well as the natural progressions of decline (i fear we may follow Europe's example). However, it is an immediate threat, and we ought to smash it now, while we don't have any other fish to fry.

First of all, Zeichen, let me say, welcome to the Forums.

With regard to what you said above though, you do realize, don't you, that our country is close to bankruptcy?

By the way, if you're wanting to get a clearer picture of what this movement is all about, you might want to start by reading Ron Paul's new book, the Revolution. It's quite short and it will give you a good starting point in understanding what we're all about.
http://www.buy.com/prod/the-revolution-a-manifesto/q/loc/106/206857101.html

Again, welcome.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

I promise I'll be nice.

A Ron Paul supporter I know on a different website was having some discussions with me. He advised me to come here, and discuss my views with you all. I was interested in seeing how you all think since, honestly as an outsider, your views don't seem to make much sense. Anyways, I will be polite, serious, and to teh point on these discussions.

As to my political views, I'm a moderate conservative, with, to some degree, libertarian views, qualified by personal beliefs and hard political necessities. Various internet tests, although they should of course be taken with a grain of salt, identify me as a moderate conservative in all ways (fiscal, social authoritative, etc).

And yes, I do support john mccain. Not the best choice, but good enough, and far better than Obama.

lol. So you were that lone McCain vote in all of those "who will you vote for?" polls on here huh?

 

[kombayn]

I'll try to watch the videos when I have more time.

As to the prediction of my views... Yeah, I believe government generally damages the economy by unneeded intervention, and is inefficient and wasteful. In some cases intervention must be done, but carefully and only when necessary. Socially, I tend to support the individual's right to do what he wants, so long as it doesn't hurt others (as I believe drugs and abortion do). Religious beliefs do come in sometimes, but, for example, while I do not support gay marriage, I'd be okay with civil unions.

As to foreign policy, I do support the war on terrorists and our involvement in foreign nation as essential to maintaining our (probably temporary) position as world leader. And actually, no, I don't think Islamic fundamentalism is the greatest danger to us. Rivals, such as China, Russia, Japan, the EU, and India are, as well as the natural progressions of decline (i fear we may follow Europe's example). However, it is an immediate threat, and we ought to smash it now, while we don't have any other fish to fry.

But that's a completely different topic, and I have no intention of arguing that here. Cheers.

I really can't get behind your reasoning for our foreign policy. Why can't we as Americans not interfere with anyone's business? America is not the World Police and we are not fascists trying to force people into a way of thinking. We need a full free-market, free-trade (not NAFTA which is a fair-trade agreement), non-interventionist foreign policy. First priority in National Security is securing the nation, whether that be from poverty to violence on our streets and protecting our Bill of Rights. We have to work together in a free-market which is a mutual benefit deal between two parties. Lead by example, not force by example. It's two different common-laws and we have no right to intrude on other countries for our personal gain. You see what happens when we do... [Looks towards the falling dollar and soaring gas/food prices.]

 

[Doktor_Jeep]

I keep seeing this thread....


neocons are not welcome.

My only hope for neocons is that I get to meet them on the highway - stepping over their bleached bones for they surely to go down with the nation they helped destroy.

I won't even feed them if they ask.

 

[aspiringconstitutionalist]

I keep seeing this thread....


neocons are not welcome.

My only hope for neocons is that I get to meet them on the highway - stepping over their bleached bones for they surely to go down with the nation they helped destroy.

I won't even feed them if they ask.

It's a good thing I never met you when I was a neocon.

 

[Doktor_Jeep]

It's a good thing I never met you when I was a neocon.

I don't believe in killing people when they think they are right.

It is perfereble to letting them live long enough to realize how badly they screwed up, and lament their mistakes.

Thus the only way for them to find peace is through God.


Of course, if they are trying to kill me, then I do what I have to. So far no neocons have personally attempted to kill me, but their policies may yet come to fruition for that end.


At the least, Saul of Tarsus was the "best" sinner in the world, and then on the Road to Damascus became Paul the Apostle, and the most zealous.

So perhaps there is always hope for the energy itself, misdirected at first, to find a better direction.

 

[aspiringconstitutionalist]

I don't believe in killing people when they think they are right.

It is perfereble to letting them live long enough to realize how badly they screwed up, and lament their mistakes.

Thus the only way for them to find peace is through God.


Of course, if they are trying to kill me, then I do what I have to. So far no neocons have personally attempted to kill me, but their policies may yet come to fruition for that end.


At the least, Saul of Tarsus was the "best" sinner in the world, and then on the Road to Damascus became Paul the Apostle, and the most zealous.

So perhaps there is always hope for the energy itself, misdirected at first, to find a better direction.

What?

 

[silus]

Neo Cons are only welcomed in hell.

 

[aspiringconstitutionalist]

Neo Cons are only welcomed in hell.

I hope that's a satirical remark. You want a Revolution so bad? Well, you're going to have to learn to actually interact respectfully with people with different viewpoints and work hard to persuade them. The kind of attitude you and Doktor_Jeep are espousing will NOT help in that regard. If we want a real intellectual revolution we're going to have to learn how to communicate with people and accept people with different viewpoints into our midst, not just sit behind a computer, griping and watching conspiracy theory Youtube videos all day.

 

[MCockerill08]

I hope that's a satirical remark. You want a Revolution so bad? Well, you're going to have to learn to actually interact respectfully with people with different viewpoints and work hard to persuade them. The kind of attitude you and Doktor_Jeep are espousing will NOT help in that regard. If we want a real intellectual revolution we're going to have to learn how to communicate with people and accept people with different viewpoints into our midst, not just sit behind a computer, griping and watching conspiracy theory Youtube videos all day.

QFT.

While the revolutionaries are, by and large, the most captivating, friendly, ardent, and interesting group of people I've ever met, Ron Paul's message of freedom of speech, association, ideology, and choice for EVERYBODY attracts, well, everybody!

 

[silus]

I hope that's a satirical remark. You want a Revolution so bad? Well, you're going to have to learn to actually interact respectfully with people with different viewpoints and work hard to persuade them. The kind of attitude you and Doktor_Jeep are espousing will NOT help in that regard. If we want a real intellectual revolution we're going to have to learn how to communicate with people and accept people with different viewpoints into our midst, not just sit behind a computer, griping and watching conspiracy theory Youtube videos all day.

The effort to interact with, educate and persuade self-described neo-cons is a waste of time. But i'll get out of the way.

No, certainly not that there is a 9/11 conspiracy. I still find that to be totally ridiculous and unfounded. (if the gov't did that, they certainly could take care of a bunch of middle aged men on youtube) But I do believe in a powerful, albeit not omniscient (as some would have us belief) globalist agenda, encompassing Washington politicians and central bankers that don't respect American soveriengtry.

There are many conspiracies within 9/11. Maybe you should at least settle for the most obvious, which is that our government did not conduct even a remotely credible investigation, for whatever reason. No one was held accountable, no one took blame. There was very little transparency in the investigation, the public still has no access to much of the evidence, there are still many questions that have not been addressed... That alone gives credibility to a 9/11 conspiracy. The subjects involved should not distort your perception. If this scenario was played out in a murder investigation, a conspiracy would clearly be more accepted. Why? Because the implications in one example are easier to swallow. Instead, people "objectively" construct an opinion of 9/11 with big brother watching over their shoulder, cautioning whenever a question you might have could lead to the government being implicated. Thats not how you form opinions on any matter.

 

[porcupine]

I agree with Zeichen that China, Russia, etc are big threats to our economic well-being. That's why we need to stop wasting 1 trillion dollars a year on protecting Europe (let them do it themselves) and trying in vain to give freedom to nations that don't even want it. We should stop bankrupting ourselves so we can lower taxes and increase American competitiveness.

We should go back to Thomas Jefferson's model where we are more concerned with America's well-being and freedom than our bragging rights in the world

 

[aspiringconstitutionalist]

The effort to interact with, educate and persuade self-described neo-cons is a waste of time. But i'll get out of the way.

Tell that to the patriots who spent months dialoguing with me, answering questions, putting up with my neocon views and stupidity, and finally converted me in October, 2007.

Tell that to all the hardcore neocons I spent months converting into Ron Paul Revolutionaries, namely my mother, my best friend, and my boss.

 

[silus]

Alright, I acknowledge your point.

 

[flpr86]

I hope Zeichen will watch and listen with at least an open mind, not with a mind that is closed and waiting to trash every thought others take their time to share with him/her.

I am new here in the forums myself, but not new to the movement of restoring our Republic! Great to be here!

It is wonderful to read my own thoughts, concerns, desires spoken by others here by so many diverse people ... what a great place ... and I also think the Ron Paul/Liberty Revolution is just getting started.

Thanks for being here!