Is 2nd hand smoke infringing on one's liberties?

[Agent CSL]

I absolutely hate getting a face full of smoke, or smog for that matter. I lived/live in a house where there are loyal smokers every day and night. I avoid it as much as I can but we've resorted to keeping windows and a door cracked even in the bitter cold.

I also hate smoking nazis, and I really dislike the concept of taking away one's right to their pursuit of happiness (even if it kills them in the end.) ... But does it cross a line when it infringes upon someone else's rights?

I live in Washington where there is a law that noone can smoke 25 ft within any building in public, including restaurants, shops, and even cig. stores themselves. That's a little insane to me. A lot of bars/restaurants ignore the "law" and continue to allow smokers, even in the face of $500, $1000 or more fines.

The free market's solution to this was to create non-smoking and smoking sections, which has worked good for what - 50 years?

 

[Truth Warrior]

Is first hand halitosis infringing on one's liberties?

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

Here is my issue,

well more of a confusion.

Does 2nd hand smoke "cause" anything proven? and if so what has actually been caused specifically FROM 2nd hand smoke.

Now on the pollution deal, that could also mean no businesses can pollute because that would be invading our personal "air" as well I suppose.

I don't know who owns the air BUT as far as personal property and businesses, that should be up to the person who owns the property and if you personally do not like the rules of the person who owns the property or business then you should go elsewhere that doesn't allow smoking.

An overall, you can't do this in public or in buildings because SOMEONE might object is a laughable and overly p.c. mentality BUT people both smokers and non smokers buy into it all the time.

Tell them they can get cancer from smelling tobacco smoke and what have you.

 

[Agent CSL]

Does 2nd hand smoke "cause" anything proven? and if so what has actually been caused specifically FROM 2nd hand smoke.

I have school records showing absences caused by going to the doctor to find out what was wrong, I was having throat problems every couple weeks. I had asthma so bad that I passed out an hour after gym. They said I should simply get more fresh air, and I started sleeping with my window open, and my door closed, and the problems went away. If that's not evidence I don't know what is.

 

[LittleLightShining]

I think if you're outdoors it doesn't matter. I'm a smoker and I'm NOT a fan of indoor smoking. I usually smoke outside or in the car with the windows down. I visited with family for Thanksgiving and they were smoking in the house. 6 different people, 6 different kinds of cigarettes. After a 24 hour period I felt ill, my throat hurt and my sinuses were all stuffed up. I've been home for a couple days and am just now starting to feel normal.

I feel bad for you CSL because you're in a tough place. Can you work out some kind of arrangement with your roommates where there's only one cigarette lit at a time? And maybe it would be smart to invest in an air purifier or one of those ashtrays that suck up the smoke?

 

[Scofield]

Is body odor an infringement on one's Liberties?

I think so.

 

[Truth Warrior]

I think brown eyes, right handers, low IQs and voters infringe on my liberty.

 

[ShowMeLiberty]

A case could probably be made either way about infringing on civil liberties, but the fact is if second hand smoke really bothers someone who is especially sensitive to it (possibly even allergic), like the OP, filling that person's house with smoke is pretty damn rude even if the smoker lives there too.

My hubby and I just recently quit but we never smoked in our house and when I was away from home I'd always keep my distance from anybody who was bothered by it.

It ought to be a matter of common courtesy but unfortunately that is something I've seen a shocking lack of in recent years.

 

[tmosley]

Second hand smoke causes long term, real, and provable consequences.

Therefore smoking should not be allowed in places where people are unable to leave (hospitals, jails, airplanes), and property owners should have the ability to allow or disallow smoking anywhere on their property.

Government really shouldn't have any say on smoking outside of government buildings. If a person is forced by whatever circumstance to spend a lot of time around smokers, that is probably grounds for a lawsuit.

 

[Truth Warrior]

The pathetic weenie-butttification of Amerika.



"The road to HELL is paved with the most 'optimistic' of good intentions, gone bad."


"What has always made the state a hell on earth has been precisely that man has tried to make it his heaven."

 

[free_mail]

It should not be banned from outdoor use and business should be allowed to make that determination. I am not a smoker but damnit I'll fight for their right to smoke. If a business such as a restaurant doesn't want any smoking in their place of business you have the right to eat elsewhere. If they want to make sections, by all means. If they want all out smoking anywhere, that's their choice.

Just because you have a personal objection to smoking doesn't give you the right to regulate others. There should be NO law requiring people to be considerate of none smokers. Again, as I've posted many times on this forum, laws should NOT be created or enforced to make conscious choices for people. Laws cannot and should not force personal responsibility nor force individuals to be considerate of others.

 

[Truth Warrior]

It should not be banned from outdoor use and business should be allowed to make that determination. I am not a smoker but damnit I'll fight for their right to smoke. If a business such as a restaurant doesn't want any smoking in their place of business you have the right to eat elsewhere. If they want to make sections, by all means. If they want all out smoking anywhere, that's their choice.

Just people you have a personal objection to smoking doesn't give you the right to regulate others. There should be NO law requiring people to be considerate of none smokers. Again, as I've posted many times on this forum, laws should NOT be created or enforced to make conscious choices for people. Laws cannot and should not force personal responsibility nor force individuals to be considerate of others.

Thank you for your sane and reasonable support.

Question: Your solutions, on stopping drug trade, is, give up, give up to world drugs. I say zero tolerance, we use the military for aid, we stop it from getting into the country, we cut it off at the source. Why give up on that fight?


Ron Paul: What you give up on is a tyrannical approach to solving a social and medical problem. We endorse the idea of voluntarism, self-responsibility, family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion, it never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person, it can't make you follow good habits. Why don't they put you on a diet, you're a little overweight...

• The Morton Downey Jr. Show, July 4, 1988

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Thank you for your sane and reasonable support.

Question: Your solutions, on stopping drug trade, is, give up, give up to world drugs. I say zero tolerance, we use the military for aid, we stop it from getting into the country, we cut it off at the source. Why give up on that fight?


Ron Paul: What you give up on is a tyrannical approach to solving a social and medical problem. We endorse the idea of voluntarism, self-responsibility, family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion, it never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person, it can't make you follow good habits. Why don't they put you on a diet, you're a little overweight...

• The Morton Downey Jr. Show, July 4, 1988

That was a funny episode.

 

[Danke]

Therefore smoking should not be allowed in places where people are unable to leave (hospitals, jails, airplanes), and property owners should have the ability to allow or disallow smoking anywhere on their property.

Agreed, but besides jails in your examples, I'd say let private companies and their consumers decide.

Hospitals probably wouldn't allow second hand smoke, especially in emergency rooms (not much choice to be there).

Some flights may advertise to be smoking flights, that would seem reasonable. Let the market decide.

 

[Truth Warrior]

That was a funny episode.

I take it quite seriously.

 

[RickyJ]

Smokers would get a lot more respect if they respected others that don't want to breath cigarette smoke. I don't think much of most smokers since most don't give a rat's ass about anyone breathing their smoke. At the Rally for the Republic when they had the break before Dr. Paul spoke the moment I walked outside it was like a tidal wave of smoke everywhere. There had to be at least 500 people that decided to smoke at the same time and the same spot. Most probably dying for a cigarette since they couldn't smoke in the Target center. Some even had to leave every so often because they had to smoke a cigarette. Why can't these people see they have a serious addiction problem here that is killing them and annoying those around them?

 

[Truth Warrior]

Smokers would get a lot more respect if they respected others that don't want to breath cigarette smoke. I don't think much of most smokers since most don't give a rat's ass about anyone breathing their smoke. At the Rally for the Republic when they had the break before Dr. Paul spoke the moment I walked outside it was like a tidal wave of smoke everywhere. There had to be at least 500 people that decided to smoke at the same time and the same spot. Most probably dying for a cigarette since they couldn't smoke in the Target center. Some even had to leave every so often because they had to smoke a cigarette. Why can't these people see they have a serious addiction problem here that is killing them and annoying those around them?

I don't give a rat's ass about most drivers either. Keep their carbon monoxide to themselves. Then there's those breathers too, using up MY oxygen.

 

[cordscords]

it should not be banned from outdoor use and business should be allowed to make that determination. I am not a smoker but damnit i'll fight for their right to smoke. If a business such as a restaurant doesn't want any smoking in their place of business you have the right to eat elsewhere. If they want to make sections, by all means. If they want all out smoking anywhere, that's their choice.

Just because you have a personal objection to smoking doesn't give you the right to regulate others. There should be no law requiring people to be considerate of none smokers. Again, as i've posted many times on this forum, laws should not be created or enforced to make conscious choices for people. Laws cannot and should not force personal responsibility nor force individuals to be considerate of others.

qft.

 

[Roxi]

I absolutely hate getting a face full of smoke, or smog for that matter. I lived/live in a house where there are loyal smokers every day and night. I avoid it as much as I can but we've resorted to keeping windows and a door cracked even in the bitter cold.

I also hate smoking nazis, and I really dislike the concept of taking away one's right to their pursuit of happiness (even if it kills them in the end.) ... But does it cross a line when it infringes upon someone else's rights?

I live in Washington where there is a law that noone can smoke 25 ft within any building in public, including restaurants, shops, and even cig. stores themselves. That's a little insane to me. A lot of bars/restaurants ignore the "law" and continue to allow smokers, even in the face of $500, $1000 or more fines.

The free market's solution to this was to create non-smoking and smoking sections, which has worked good for what - 50 years?

i smoke but i understand what you are saying, for non smokers it sux, (i was a nonsmoker once

however i don't think it would technically infringe on your rights, since you have the "right" to go somewhere else, unless they are holding you there against your will.

 

[Truth Warrior]

"Government is a disease masquerading as its own cure." -- Bob LeFevre