IOWA: Rand Paul is GOP's best candidate for 2016

[JCDenton0451]

Obama is a socialist. He calls for the rich to be punished and he massively expands the state. massive spending and nationalizing of industries like healthcare

Romney campaing avoided this kind of rhetoric in the general election, because his consultants warned him, calling Obama socialist will hurt Romney's favourables more than it will hurt Obama.

Clinton will be able to call Rand 'dangerous for women', and the media will agree.

Yes, this game isn't fair.

 

[anaconda]

There will be a lot of pressure amongst millennials to follow up the first African American President with the first Woman President, which is why if the GOP fails to provide someone that millennials can get behind they will lose 2016 despite the horrific performance of Obama.

I agree with you, but the degree to which many progressives feel betrayed by Soetoro will have a moderating effect on their enthusiasm to vote for Billary simply to "make history" again.

 

[Warlord]

Yeah the Democrat third term is going to repulse many. Especially when Obamacare hits. T MINUS 6 MONTHS until everyones premiums are going up 100-400% and 23 new taxes hit in January.

Let's see how they like that.

And then Bernanke withdrawing his stimulus and on the way out. That will implode the economy too.

The perfect storm you might say.

Be prepared personally but also politically to educate and awaken minds. People will be very angry and looking for answers.

Lets make sure they get the free market ones.

 

[Warlord]

Romney campaing avoided this kind of rhetoric in the general election, because his consultants warned him, calling Obama socialist will hurt Romney's favourables more than it will hurt Obama.

Clinton will be able to call Rand 'dangerous for women', and the media will agree.

Yes, this game isn't fair.

The point i'm trying to make to you is that Obama will never admit he's an out and out leftist who wants increasing centralized control, higher taxes for everyone and a say in everyone's life. He wont admit it publicly in VA and OH because it turns them off. So he's quiet about it and very calculating (until he gets caught out like with using the IRS to target opponents). So will Rand be on abortion.

 

[Warlord]

He would be doing at least as good, if he supported abortions in cases of rape and incest, simply because all these crazy pro-life voters have nowhere else to go. He's taking a huge risk with his 100% pro-life stance.

Rand is 100% pro-life so having a carve out for rape is illogical to him. I think it should be allowed up to 4-6 weeks or whatever doctors say is viable but I dont know. Rand when asked cleverly talks about medical exceptions and will drone on and on about them and get very technical with anyone who asks but he'll never publicly use the R word like Akin or relate it to God like Mourdock but i'm sure journalists will try and catch him in the "gotcha" but he's very slick and won't get caught.

If the Democrats keep attacking him on it and all he's doing is talking about his budget and his plan to create jobs or repeal the coming Obamacare "train wreck" then they're going to look seriously out of touch and will lose the election. They need to fight him on the issues that people care about not go after him on social issues.

 

[jtstellar]

Clinton, a Democrat, would best Rubio 48 percent to 37 percent and she runs ahead of Paul 46 percent to 42 percent, the Quinnipiac University poll found.

i pray to god people who gave advantage to hillary in a rubio match up is because they chose to drop out while hillary people stayed.. seriously if someone can make a decision between hillary and rubio 'oh if rubio is running then i'm voting for hillary', they need to just die

He also leads among men 49 percent to 39 percent. Clinton wins among women 53 percent to 34 percent.

mark me, fucking, surprised.. women suffrage.. so that's the reason we're behind clinton by 4 points, the TWENTY point difference by women voters 53 v 34.. holy jesus christ if this is the reason rome ultimately goes down, it's fucking pathetic beyond words.. i will be sure to mention this if an uprising ever comes to this country and we have the misfortune of start using guillotine on people

seriously who came up with the idea of allowing takers to vote?

 

[Warlord]

Chillout. Clinton has 100% name id and has been around 20 years. Rand has been around 2 years. He's got further to go. A lot of people in Iowa will not be familar with him. They will when they start seeing him. These numbers are great. He's beating the sitting vice president for a start..

 

[jtstellar]

Chillout. Clinton has 100% name id and has been around 20 years. Rand has been around 2 years. He's got further to go. A lot of people in Iowa will not be familar with him. They will when they start seeing him. These numbers are great. He's beating the sitting vice president for a start..

i know it is, rand hasn't even gone to a 'women speaking' tour yet and i'm sure he can make up some grounds. i'm just saying how pathetic the numbers are because i know their psyche. my mother loved hillary, until i busted to her all the democrat scandals and her role in benghazi, now her love appears to have chilled a bit.

well that and i basically bombarded her with libertarian message nonstop the past 2 years. but before all of this i questioned her why she liked hillary in the first place. well you guessed it, because she (appeared) to be a strong woman

 

[alucard13mm]

He would be doing at least as good, if he supported abortions in cases of rape and incest, simply because all these crazy pro-life voters have nowhere else to go. He's taking a huge risk with his 100% pro-life stance.

He cant flip-flop or else all hell will break loose.

Anyways.. Rand has to do something about women voters. Ron and Rand does horrible with women =|.

 

[jtstellar]

He cant flip-flop or else all hell will break loose.

Anyways.. Rand has to do something about women voters. Ron and Rand does horrible with women =|.

i hope the number is just because they are uninformed.. if they actually see rand talk quite frequently but all the stuff just flies over their heads because they're so goddam stupid, then we're fucked when they vote

 

[majinkoola]

Young to middle aged men have been hit the hardest. 55+ have been the ones getting the jobs in the recession (check zerohedge). Obamacare raises premiums most on guess who, young men. 19% of young black men, 29% of young hispanic men, and 54% of young white men voted for Romney. These were all up quite a bit from McCain in 2008. I think Rand could raise those a lot, specifically if he comes out strong for marijuana legalization in the general. These need to be the targets IMO, as they are the low hanging fruit compared to other groups.

 

[Warlord]

JCD:

"Even republican leaders don't call Obama socialist."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=124359632

Top Republicans: Yeah, We're Calling Obama Socialist

RNC Chairman Michael Steele distanced himself from the document. And a handful of Republicans have labeled the document, which includes a caricature of Obama as The Joker from Batman, unhelpful.

But outside the Washington bubble, reaction to the document among Republican leaders has been decidedly less, well, worked up — if they'd heard about it at all. And a number of members of the RNC say that the fundraisers' message of voter fears about Obama and a big government move toward "socialism" is a conventional party talking point, and not contained within the province of the more extreme anti-tax Tea Party movement.

"I'm a member of the Republican National Committee and a pretty ordinary businessman, and I refer to what Democrats are doing as socialism," says Curly Haugland of Bismarck, N.D. "This conversation is in the mainstream already; it's not just a public relations tool," he says. "It is a reflection of the exact feelings on the street."

 

[Aratus]

Rand's strong poll numbers suggest that he will more than get darn close to having 1600 PENN AVE as an address in the future

 

[libertyvidz]

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[libertyvidz]

JMdrake? You mean jmdrake , whom I debated bitterly in this thread (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?413703-Creationists-Fail-a-Fourth-Grade-Science-Test ), who downrated my posts three times, and called me "basically a communist" because I support science education in schools...Is this your authority on abortion? You gotta be kidding me! :facepalm:

Thank you for posting the link. Interesting read. But jmdrake didn't call you a communist. He called you a socialist. Do you understand the difference? There are countries in Western Europe that are "socialist" in that they are run by members of "democratic socialist" parties who seek to socially engineer society through interfering with private liberty and growing government. How do you square your position that the government should impose its viewpoint on private education and parents teaching their children at home with liberty? And if what you're really after is "making sure kids learn science" couldn't you take the energy that you are using trying to convince people to impose your will on private schools and instead use it to volunteer to teach science at public schools where it is sorely lacking? Also I see that you didn't answer jmdrake's question regarding the Ron Paul curriculum. Are you familiar with it? While it hasn't been fully released yet, considering that Ron Paul questions evolution, and Gary North, the main contributor to the curriculum, is a fundamentalist Christian, it stands to reason that there might be questioning of evolution in the curriculum. If so, should it be banned?

 

[libertyvidz]

He is more credible than you are on these forums and I don't how his views on public education, regardless of what his views are, could discredit him on this topic. Since this topic is already completely derailed because of the abortion argument you insist on having at ever possible opportunity I guess I shouldn't fear derailing it more: I haven't read the topic you linked to, but I'm going to take a guess and assume that when you say "science education in schools" you mean "teaching the evolution theory as a fact in publicly funded schools".

Reading the thread, it does not seem that the argument there was whether or not there should be publicly funded school or what should be taught there, but whether or not the current practice of allowing private schools and home schools to basically choose their own curriculum as it relates to science and other subjects should continue. jmdrake argued for freedom. JCDenton argued for the opposite because "The children need to learn science". jmdrake countered that children in private school and home school are already learning science better than children in public school. JCDenton (and others) didn't really have a response to that.

 

[Warlord]

jmdrake utterly defeated him but let's not crow too much. Warlord has learned a valuable lesson when dealing with vanquished enemies: Give them medical attention, shake their hand and hope they learn from the experience.

 

[RonPaulFanInGA]

That way you can get smart pro-choice people to vote for you, while still getting the support of the naive pro-lifers

Damn dude, you need to hide your seething inner rage at pro-lifers a little, or eventually you're going to be labeled a troll.

169 posts, and it feels like a third of them are about how much you dislike the pro-life movement.

 

[FriedChicken]

Reading the thread, it does not seem that the argument there was whether or not there should be publicly funded school or what should be taught there, but whether or not the current practice of allowing private schools and home schools to basically choose their own curriculum as it relates to science and other subjects should continue. jmdrake argued for freedom. JCDenton argued for the opposite because "The children need to learn science". jmdrake countered that children in private school and home school are already learning science better than children in public school. JCDenton (and others) didn't really have a response to that.

Wow, I didn't think RPF had any members that would advocate for government to force private and home schools what to teach. What a scary America it would be if the government had that much control over all education.
I wonder what punishment those who advocate for this would recommend for parents and private organizations that disobeyed the government and taught outside the approved teachings?

 

[Peace Piper]

Obama is a socialist.

Absurd. He's a Fascist

He calls for the rich to be punished and he massively expands the state. massive spending and nationalizing of industries like healthcare (the full effects of which will take shape in just 6 months so you might want to check the polls then JCD).

How is lying about not supporting a mandate, and then working to pass a law that requires everyone to buy corporate insurance "nationalizing" health care?

What this Republican in DemoRat clothing did is entrench the present failed system for the foreseeable future.

Fox calls this liar a Socialist because they're either lying too, or can't read a definition.