Internet Sales Tax Exempts Online Businesses with Less Than $1 Million In Annual Revenue

[AGRP]

I don't know if that is all that strong of an argument used to oppose this. One could easily counter with the fact that if you buy something online it has to be shipped to you so that means more travel for UPS/FEDEX/USPS so that leads to road wear.

Shouldnt the delivery services who use the roads be taxed?

 

[Ranger29860]

Shouldnt the delivery services who use the roads be taxed?

(again playing devils advocate here)

They already are with a gas tax. But since they have to stay competitive we have to level out the taxes to all those in the food chain. Is it fair that only the middle man pays for services (aka roads) that both the consumer of the product and the producer of the product benefit from?

 

[AGRP]

(again playing devils advocate here)

They already are with a gas tax. But since they have to stay competitive we have to level out the taxes to all those in the food chain. Is it fair that only the middle man pays for services (aka roads) that both the consumer of the product and the producer of the product benefit from?

Why should the person who sells light weight and high value objects be taxed more than someone who sells heavy and low value objects? The toll on the road for the light weight objects is miniscule compared to a bowling ball manufacture, no?

 

[Matt Collins]

Whats the difference if online business does more or less than $1 mil? Are there physical roads in cyber space that need to be repaved?

No, it's just a big sounding number for the unthinking masses to think is reasonable. After all, if you're business makes over $1m then you must be "rich".

 

[Matt Collins]

Highly saturated Computers/electronics market +Ebay fees could get you close to that number, though. It's all about volume even though these are grocery store margin numbers lol.

3.4% profit margin(on $3.5 million sales) for an online business?

He had a business partner and a family of 4.

Here is his site:
http://multi-monitors.com/

 

[Ranger29860]

Why should the person who sells light weight and high value objects be taxed more than someone who sells heavy and low value objects? The toll on the road for the light weight objects is miniscule compared to a bowling ball manufacture, no?

Then why don't we tax suv's more for gas than cars if weight of cars was more of a factor than the amount of cars?

 

[Ranger29860]

He had a business partner and a family of 5.

Here is his site:
http://multi-monitors.com/

well shit if your gonna count family expenses as a negative from the take home profit then 60k of pure non allocated (as in bills and food) profit then I can understand that number. If that is what you did that is a really confusing way to word it its like if I earned 2k a month and had bill and food cost of 1800 a month and told people I make 200 dollars a month.

BTW I bought my 6 monitor mount and tv wall mount from him lol.

 

[AGRP]

Then why don't we tax suv's more for gas than cars if weight of cars was more of a factor than the amount of cars?

We should if the argument is to remain consistent.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Then why don't we tax suv's more for gas than cars if weight of cars was more of a factor than the amount of cars?

A tax per gallon of fuel would capture a lot of that since larger vehicles also tend to use more gas.

 

[Ranger29860]

A tax per gallon of fuel would capture a lot of that since larger vehicles also tend to use more gas.

(again devils advocate here so dont kill me)

Well if thats the case then a heavier load for trucks would mean more gas used anyway. So the lightweight product evens out with the heavier one.

 

[AGRP]

A tax per gallon of fuel would capture a lot of that since larger vehicles also tend to use more gas.

That doesnt apply to the internet business tax. $1 mil in paperclip sales = $1 mil in bowling ball sales.

 

[Ranger29860]

That doesnt apply to the internet business tax. $1 mil in paperclip sales = $1 mil in bowling ball sales.

But it does take the burden of revenue generation off of the middle man trucker. Since this revenue is needed it had to come from somewhere. Do you advocate the raising of the gas tax because a online business doesn't want to pay what ever brick and mortar store already pays and what each of us pay on anything we buy already? Making our burden even more?

 

[Matt Collins]

(again devils advocate here so dont kill me)

Well if thats the case then a heavier load for trucks would mean more gas used anyway. So the lightweight product evens out with the heavier one.

The proper phrase is "don't flame me bro"...

But this is why there is a push for GPS tracking on all vehicles, these hybrids and other more fuel efficient vehicles are causing less gas consumption, and the government, again, is feeling like they aren't getting their cut. So the idea is floating around more and more about doing a per-mile tax. Of course the only way to calculate that is to put a GPS tracking device on everyone's vehicle (which has actually been suggested).

 

[Matt Collins]

well shit if your gonna count family expenses as a negative from the take home profit then 60k of pure non allocated (as in bills and food) profit then I can understand that number. If that is what you did that is a really confusing way to word it its like if I earned 2k a month and had bill and food cost of 1800 a month and told people I make 200 dollars a month.

No, that's not what I meant. His takehome was that.

BTW I bought my 6 monitor mount and tv wall mount from him lol.

Awesome. Know that you were doing business with a fellow liberty guy.

 

[pauljmccain]

Sheesh. 10 million would be way more realistic, at that point the business should be able to support an accountant to deal with filing sales taxes in 50 states. But at 1 million, most businesses would only have a couple sales/service staff as well as the warehouse staff. If this is passed, they had better make it VERY easy to file.

 

[pauljmccain]

well shit if your gonna count family expenses as a negative from the take home profit then 60k of pure non allocated (as in bills and food) profit then I can understand that number. If that is what you did that is a really confusing way to word it its like if I earned 2k a month and had bill and food cost of 1800 a month and told people I make 200 dollars a month.

BTW I bought my 6 monitor mount and tv wall mount from him lol.

Why are you guys obsessed with analyzing this? Any new company should be making zero dollars as it reinvests in growth. A net income number with zero other information tells you nothing about a business.

Paul

 

[JorgeStevenson]

But it does take the burden of revenue generation off of the middle man trucker. Since this revenue is needed it had to come from somewhere. Do you advocate the raising of the gas tax because a online business doesn't want to pay what ever brick and mortar store already pays and what each of us pay on anything we buy already? Making our burden even more?

What is "our burden"? We didn't go on the road.

The middle man went on the road. He paid the gas tax. When we negotiated with the middleman, he already knew exactly how much gas tax he would incur in order to fulfill the contract. Knowing that he would have to pay the gas tax, he demanded a higher price for the delivery of goods than he would have without a gas tax. Therefore, when we paid the middleman we already paid the gas tax.

Anyway, I think the whole "gas" argument is a distraction. I have no idea under what authority states claim the right to a cut of every B2C sale that occurs within their state, but I have a feeling road repair is not one of the primary ones.

 

[oyarde]

If there is ever an effective date for this , I will buy nothing off the net I have to pay tax on.I already pay some high shipping , not paying both, will just buy everything out of the classifieds in the local paper.Screw a bunch of tax.