America is going down because voters are fu$%ing stupid, just like some on here that don't understand the game, and think their conscience is going to make the difference in the election. Guys and Gals, if you don't understand the process please stay out at this time, becuase you're screwing up the only chance, albeit very small that we can turn this into a brokered convention. The Huck/McCain spread is so small, that the Paul votes will ensure McCain's victory and eliminate all chance for brokered convention.
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From The Daily Dose on RonPaul2008.com
If You’re for Ron Paul, Vote for Ron Paul
February 11th, 2008 by Dan McCarthy
In a few supporter forums the idea is going around that one way to help Ron Paul might be to vote for Mike Huckabee in the hope that if Huckabee wins enough delegates we might get a brokered convention in the fall. Most of the supporters who like this idea at least say that it should only be tried in those winner-take-all primary states where Ron Paul has the least favorable odds.
I strongly advise against this tactical voting. Ron Paul is serious when he says he wants to win every possible vote as well as every possible national delegate. That includes your vote, even if the state you’re in presents seemingly unsurmountable odds against Dr. Paul. Our candidate is fighting hard for the nomination, and his goal, which should be our goal, is not to try to create a brokered convention, but to win every vote he can. The nomination is at stake, and much more is at stake too, including the future of the Republican Party and the future of the Republic. To build up the Ron Paul revolution, we need to show as much strength as possible in every contest, and we need the support and loyalty of everyone who wants to get back to the Constitution.
The deal worked out between our delegates and Mike Huckabee’s in West Virginia was one thing. Ron Paul was eliminated in the first round of voting and did not appear on the ballot in the second round, so our delegates who voted for Huckabee were not deserting Ron Paul — and, crucially, they were voting for Huckabee only because Huckabee’s people promised three national delegates for Dr. Paul. That kind of bargaining is sound. But voting for a candidate other than Ron Paul when there isn’t any chance of getting delegates for Dr. Paul, merely in the hope of having a brokered convention, only weakens the Ron Paul movement rather than strengthening it. We need every vote.
The same goes for leaving the Republican Party and registering as something else. Ron Paul has said how much he respects third parties. But Dr. Paul is in a fight to take back the Republican Party, and to do that he needs all of us to stay with him. I know this can be unpleasant — I registered as an independent when I moved to Delaware last year, and had to switch my registration back to the Republican Party that had left me years before in order to vote for Ron Paul. But however large the problems of the Republican Party may be (and they’re titanic) the one man in whom I have confidence to bring the party back to small-government, non-interventionist, constitutional principles is Ron Paul. If he’s not going third party, neither am I.
Tomorrow there are critical contests in Virginia, Maryland, and the District of Columbia. If you live in those states, get out and vote — for Ron Paul.
February 11th, 2008 by Dan McCarthy
In a few supporter forums the idea is going around that one way to help Ron Paul might be to vote for Mike Huckabee in the hope that if Huckabee wins enough delegates we might get a brokered convention in the fall. Most of the supporters who like this idea at least say that it should only be tried in those winner-take-all primary states where Ron Paul has the least favorable odds.
I strongly advise against this tactical voting. Ron Paul is serious when he says he wants to win every possible vote as well as every possible national delegate. That includes your vote, even if the state you’re in presents seemingly unsurmountable odds against Dr. Paul. Our candidate is fighting hard for the nomination, and his goal, which should be our goal, is not to try to create a brokered convention, but to win every vote he can. The nomination is at stake, and much more is at stake too, including the future of the Republican Party and the future of the Republic. To build up the Ron Paul revolution, we need to show as much strength as possible in every contest, and we need the support and loyalty of everyone who wants to get back to the Constitution.
The deal worked out between our delegates and Mike Huckabee’s in West Virginia was one thing. Ron Paul was eliminated in the first round of voting and did not appear on the ballot in the second round, so our delegates who voted for Huckabee were not deserting Ron Paul — and, crucially, they were voting for Huckabee only because Huckabee’s people promised three national delegates for Dr. Paul. That kind of bargaining is sound. But voting for a candidate other than Ron Paul when there isn’t any chance of getting delegates for Dr. Paul, merely in the hope of having a brokered convention, only weakens the Ron Paul movement rather than strengthening it. We need every vote.
The same goes for leaving the Republican Party and registering as something else. Ron Paul has said how much he respects third parties. But Dr. Paul is in a fight to take back the Republican Party, and to do that he needs all of us to stay with him. I know this can be unpleasant — I registered as an independent when I moved to Delaware last year, and had to switch my registration back to the Republican Party that had left me years before in order to vote for Ron Paul. But however large the problems of the Republican Party may be (and they’re titanic) the one man in whom I have confidence to bring the party back to small-government, non-interventionist, constitutional principles is Ron Paul. If he’s not going third party, neither am I.
Tomorrow there are critical contests in Virginia, Maryland, and the District of Columbia. If you live in those states, get out and vote — for Ron Paul.
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Thank you, I wanted to post that. I vote for RP because I support RP. I take offense at someone calling me stupid for voting for RP because they think I don't understand the process. I don't vote for Huckabee because I do not believe in Huckabee and I don't want to vote for Huckabee.
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Anyone thinking we're going to walk into a brokered conventions after winning 0 states and getting about 5% of the vote and steal the nomination needs a serious reality check. Even if its possible I don't even believe Paul would accept the nomination.
What would we do if Paul had won around 1000 delegates, and then McCain shows up with 50 and steals the nomination at a brokered convention?
What would we do if Paul had won around 1000 delegates, and then McCain shows up with 50 and steals the nomination at a brokered convention?
So if they don't decide to cast a strategic vote for Huckabee, they should just not vote at all? You're being a bit extreme.
A Huckabee win should help us, but that doesn't make it wrong to vote your conscience. Besides, thousands of people are voting for RP in Virginia, and I'm sure very few of them actually bother with these sites and these secret plans to reach a brokered convention. They're voting for who they believe should win.
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Way to go guys! You let McCain win by 1%! The election is over! But you really showed the nation with that critical 5% vote for Paul!
I can understand some people not paying attention or simply not caring.....but to all the people criticizing the call to vote for Huckabee so we can get to a brokered convention : "THANKS FOR COSTING US A CHANCE AT A BROKERED CONVENTION"
I can understand some people not paying attention or simply not caring.....but to all the people criticizing the call to vote for Huckabee so we can get to a brokered convention : "THANKS FOR COSTING US A CHANCE AT A BROKERED CONVENTION"
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People who vote for Ron Paul are screwing up Ron Pauls chances and should not vote at all? WTF! I smell a troll!
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I'm quite aware of the brokered convention theory, but since we'd still need a miracle to win at a brokered convention I'm voting for Ron Paul.
These are probably the same geniuses who talked us into losing Washington.
Besides, it would be unethical for Paul to accept the nomination with ~5% of the vote and I doubt he would do it.
These are probably the same geniuses who talked us into losing Washington.
Besides, it would be unethical for Paul to accept the nomination with ~5% of the vote and I doubt he would do it.
I am sick of reading on this forum about dealing with Huckabee or even voting for Huckabee to beat McCain. Stop the nonsense!
DON'T VOTE FOR MIKE HUCKABEE ! ! !
Good grief....... are there no principles here? Mike Huckabee is a warmonger just like McCain. He has Richard Haass, President of the Council on Foreign Relations as a foreign policy advisor and has said he likes and respects Richard Haass. Mike Huckabee is not a principled man. He will raise taxes just like McCain, he will send more troops to fight the war on a noun just like McCain, he will open our arms and our doors to illegals just like McCain. He is a snake in the grass, guarandamnteed.LIVE FREE OR DIE
VOTE RON PAUL
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...94978715151474 - snake video
This board is overrun by huckabee supporters.
Everyone--report them to the moderators.
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This is the problem with people, they want to vote against somebody because they do not want that person to win. This is why the country is is the shape it is in. It is like the "we have to beat Hillary Clinton at all cost" talk. I cannot vote for somebody who believe contrary to what I believe.
If McCain wins VA it's not because of Paul supporters voting for Paul. It is because McCain had a greater appeal to voters than Huckabee and Paul.
If McCain wins VA it's not because of Paul supporters voting for Paul. It is because McCain had a greater appeal to voters than Huckabee and Paul.
This board is overrun by huckabee supporters.
I think you are right...... may they all go to hell in a hand basket!
Put that in your pipe and smoke it you neocon ignoramuses!
THIS IS NOT A JOKE!
Put that in your pipe and smoke it you neocon ignoramuses!
THIS IS NOT A JOKE!
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And by the way, instead of getting upset all Paul supporters for voting for Paul, how about going to the 3% of Romney supporters who voted for Romney. So don't give me this crap about I should have voted for a crook and war-monger like Huckabee.
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The only way for Ron Paul to get the nomination is to have a brokered convention, he has said so himself. Yes, we want as many pledged delegates as possible, but any we don't get sure as hell better not go to McCain. Huckabee won't win this thing outright so a vote for Huckabee hurts nothing but our pride.
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Stop acting so ignorant. I can tell the level of your intelligence by the way you are cussing at everybody.
Like I said. Huckabee lost because he didn't have a strong enough grassroots to win VA. He obviously didn't appeal to other voters that could have swung to him. Huckabee lost because of Huckabee not because of anybody else. Get OVER SELF SKY22.
I AM A PROUD RON PAUL VOTER! TODAY I EXERCISED MY RIGHT TO VOTE AND I VOTED FOR FREEDOM--I VOTED FOR RON PAUL, THE CHAMPION OF THE CONSTITUTION!
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