In Iowa, Huckabee has message for those focused only on 'liberty' and low taxes

[mrsat_98]

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[Christian Liberty]

The difference Rand is on the ballot this time so a McCain in 08 or Romney in '12 not going to happen as they never had to run against Rand. Once the ads start and Rand sells himself he is the clear superior candidate. Ron was seen as gadfly and mocked by the media and could never pull more than 20% in a primary. Rand is electable. Still lets not be overconfident but the fact is Rand is a superior candidate to any of them

The media is going to attack Rand relentlessly. Whether the voters will believe it I guess remains to be seen.

And of course the majority of meaners will never ask the $64, central-pillar question to that assertion: what defines "integrity" here?

Huckabee may not be a bad guy... Don't know him so I cannot say, but when he spouts off with ill-defined nonsense like this he comes off as an arrogant douche to anyone in possession of reason.

And why is it that I never see/hear anyone challenging these jokers on such points? I never see it. Of course, I don't watch TV as I am fond of retaining what modicum of intellect the years have allowed me, which admittedly is not that much anymore.

Not to hijack the thread, but it would seem worthwhile to discuss the meaning of "integrity" as it might apply here to Huckabee's imperative.

You're more generous than I am. Huck is a venomous snake. I have ZERO respect for him, and I take it as one of Christianity's black points that he was a pastor.

as for the rest, yes, politicians purposely will not define "integrity." Its kind of tough to define anyway, but politicians will purposely avoid doing it for their own purposes.

I agree with the statement but not the intended implication that all sorts of stuff needs to be banned in order for liberty to flourish.

 

[Wooden Indian]

Paul said in Romans 2:14

for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified. 14 For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, 15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them,…

Morality is not exclusive to any club.

 

[acptulsa]

..

'Everybody is running around in circles, announcing that somebody's pinched their liberty. Now the greatest aid that I know of that anyone could give the world today would be a correct definition of "liberty". What might be one class's liberty might be another class's poison. I guess absolute liberty couldn't mean anything but that anybody can do anything they want to, any time they want to. Well, any half-wit can tell you that wouldn't work. So the question arises, "How much liberty can I get away with?"

'Well, you can get no more liberty than you give. That's my definition, but you got perfect liberty to work out your own.'--Will Rogers

 

[mrsat_98]

I like Mike Huckabee but I don't want him to be president.

 

[robert68]

As much as i love Ron he was never going to win. Rand gets attention because his profile is superior. He's an elected senator (has never lost statewide)...

In defense of papa Ron in the comparison, he was residing in the 2nd most populated state in the US (over 26 million presently), not the 26th most populated state (around 4.4 million presently).

 

[acptulsa]

Except, Ron was electable. It's why supporters donated nearly $60 million to two recent presidential campaigns. If John McCain was electable, Ron Paul was electable. If Rick Santorum was electable, Ron Paul was electable.

A mighty big 'if' or two in there.

I didn't see a shred of evidence either one is true.

 

[jjdoyle]

A mighty big 'if' or two in there.

I didn't see a shred of evidence either one is true.

John McCain won the nomination of the GOP.
Rick Santorum got more votes than Ron Paul in 2012. Nearly double. And was in the race for a shorter amount of time when votes were being cast, and raised less money than Ron Paul 2012.

 

[invisible]

John McCain won the nomination of the GOP.
Rick Santorum got more votes than Ron Paul in 2012. Nearly double. And was in the race for a shorter amount of time when votes were being cast, and raised less money than Ron Paul 2012.

Media propaganda is a powerful tool.

 

[jjdoyle]

Media propaganda is a powerful tool.

Absolutely. And I haven't seen anything from the media, to make me think things have changed. It's just like between 2008 and 2012. Ron Paul was a hero between elections. The best, most common sense, Congressman since ever. Then 2012 rolled around, and the talking points changed.
Rick Santorum became George Washington.

 

[osan]

You're more generous than I am. Huck is a venomous snake.

Other than Ron Paul, I do not follow "personalities", so I would therefore ask you why you characterize him this way? What egregious things has he done? Just curious.

as for the rest, yes, politicians purposely will not define "integrity." Its kind of tough to define anyway

Actually, it is not. If you have a sufficient understanding of the principles that define proper human relations, defining "integrity" as apropos to Huckabee's quoted statement is rather a simple affair. But of course we know he is very much unlikely to be working from the correct definition, preferring his own personal version such that he is able to condone and promote all manner of hideous violations of human rights. I am fair to middling confident he probably hates homos - his prerogative, of course, but I might speculate that part of living with integrity for him includes no butty-fukky... at least between guys.

but politicians will purposely avoid doing it for their own purposes.

Well, obviously. My point was why nobody appears to be taking them to task on this.

I agree with the statement but not the intended implication that all sorts of stuff needs to be banned in order for liberty to flourish.

Without the necessary definition, I cannot accept the statement as valid, as good sounding as it may otherwise be.

 

[osan]

Except, Ron was electable. It's why supporters donated nearly $60 million to two recent presidential campaigns. If John McCain was electable, Ron Paul was electable. If Rick Santorum was electable, Ron Paul was electable.

Au contraire, mon ami... Ron Paul n'est pas éligible. He was never electable because the American meaner, what H. L. Mencken termed boobus Americanus, is a fathomlessly corrupt idiot. Make ye no mistake on this point - the average American is as crooked as the days are long at the poles. He is willfully stupid and depraved to so shocking an extent that the rest of the nation simply refuses to believe what they see, the cognitive dissonance so jarringly violent to their intellects that they chalk what they perceive up to something else - anything else that will soften the blow that the actual truth would deliver, perhaps rendering catatonic those realizing the full implications of it all. After all, in most cases the psyche can withstand only so much shock, beyond which it switches into self-preservation mode.

The corpses of McCain and Frothy would be reelected to the Oval office ten thousand times in a row before a Ron Paul would ever attain that post. Those really in charge would see to that.

 

[devil21]

We could shave some votes off the Huck train if the pro-liberty side did not appear to be stone-faced aloof, or outright hostile to moral issues. Just because we want to avoid getting sidetracked by wedge issues, doesn't mean there is NO connection between moral decline and the loss of liberty. A culture that allows the legal slaughter of the unborn, for example, shouldn't be surprised that not long after, it sees its government allow torture, rendition, no-due-process detention, and drone assassinations of civilians as well.

Funny that Huck and his supporters generally support the latter while espousing the former. Protect life! Protect life! Bomb Iran! Bomb Iran!

Morality and hypocrisy are not compatible principles.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Other than Ron Paul, I do not follow "personalities", so I would therefore ask you why you characterize him this way? What egregious things has he done? Just curious.

Taken from Wikipedia:

Huckabee's stance on drugs:

Huckabee said that he supports the death penalty, but only reluctantly. He believes that eliminating parole gives no incentive for rehabilitation,[SUP][7][/SUP] and believes that more prisons should be built, and their management should be privatized.[SUP][4][/SUP] As Governor, he granted 1,033 pardons and commutations which is ten times more pardons than Governor Bill Clinton granted during his tenure.[SUP][8][/SUP][SUP][9][/SUP] He supports flexible federal block grants for crime programs, and supports tougher juvenile crime penalties, but believes that the states should set them. Huckabee supports drug courts for non-violent drug offenders, believes that drug education fails and drug punishment works, and that stricter penalties for drug-related crimes should be enforced. He opposes the medical use of marijuana, and said he would continue to raid, arrest, prosecute, and imprison patients who are using marijuana as a medicine.[SUP][10][/SUP]

So much for the 10th amendment, not to mention liberty....

On the military:

Huckabee supports a larger military and a fifty percent increase in defense spending. In December 2007, he wrote:

"The Bush administration plans to increase the size of the U.S. Army and the Marine Corps by about 92,000 troops over the next five years. We can and must do this in two to three years. I recognize the challenges of increasing our enlistments without lowering standards and of expanding training facilities and personnel, and that is one of the reasons why we must increase our military budget. Right now, we spend about 3.9 percent of our GDP on defense, compared with about six percent in 1986, under President Ronald Reagan. We need to return to that six percent level."[SUP][72][/SUP]


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So much for less government and less intervention.

Taxes:

In January 2007 on Meet the Press, Huckabee said "I think you've got to be very careful. I wouldn’t propose any new taxes. I wouldn’t support any. But if we’re in a situation where we are in a different level of war, where there is no other option, I think that it’s a very dangerous position to make pledges that are outside the most important pledge you make, and that is the oath you take to uphold the Constitution and protect the people of the United States."[SUP][79][/SUP] Grover Norquist, the president of Americans for Tax Reform, who in 2006 called the governor a “serial tax increaser,"[SUP][80][/SUP] stated recently, "Gov. Huckabee recognizes that the challenge is to rein in spending and reduce taxes."[SUP][81][/SUP] Huckabee supports theFairTax, which would do away with all federal taxes and replace them with a single national sales tax.[SUP][82][/SUP] In March 2007, Huckabee signed the Presidential Taxpayer Protection Pledge of Americans for Tax Reform, promising not to increase taxes at the federal level.[SUP][81][/SUP] Huckabee cut taxes while governor, which saved Arkansas' citizens close to $380 million.[SUP][83][/SUP] For 2007, his state enjoyed a surplus of nearly $850 million.[SUP][83][/SUP] Huckabee has voiced support for the FairTax system, and wants to eliminate the Internal Revenue Service. He has called FairTax the flatter, fairer, finite, family friendly overhaul. He lowered taxes 94 times, although critics claim that most of these were small deductions that the legislature initiated.[SUP][84][/SUP] He supported the removal of the poorest taxpayers from the tax rolls. However, Huckabee has also been criticized for his fiscal record. Huckabee supported 5 tax increases, prompting the Club for Growth to label him a liberal.[SUP][85][/SUP] He signed bills raising taxes on gasoline in 1999, a $5.25 bed-tax on private nursing home patients in 2001, and publicly opposed the repeal of a sales tax on groceries and medicine in 2002.[SUP][86][/SUP] He believes that states should independently determine estate taxes.[SUP][4][/SUP]

So much for our money belonging to us rather than the State.

Stubborn on foreign policy:

He believes that opposition to the George W. Bush's Iraq War troop surge of 2007 is dangerous, and that the job in Iraq must be finished and finished right. Huckabee stated:

We have to continue the surge, and let me explain why. When I was a little kid, if I went into a store with my mother, she had a simple rule for me: If I picked something off the shelf at the store and I broke it, I bought it. I learned I don't pick something off the shelf I can't afford to buy. Well, what we did in Iraq, we essentially broke it. It's our responsibility to do the best we can to try to fix it before we just turn away. I 100% agree that we can't leave until we've left with honor because, whether or not we should have gone to Iraq is a discussion the historians can have, but we're there. We bought it because we broke it. We've got a responsibility to the honor of this country and to the honor of every man and woman who has served in Iraq and ever served in our military to not leave them with anything less than the honor that they deserve.[SUP][90][/SUP]
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"We" didn't buy it Mike. Warmongering scumbags like you did. I was 8 years old at the time, people like you destroyed my future. Thanks a lot.

Israel:

Huckabee is "America’s leading Christian Zionist politician."[SUP][92][/SUP] He believes that the land of Israel was promised to the modern-day Jews by God. He has written that, "the Jews have a God-given right to reclaim land given to their ancestors and taken away from them."[SUP][93][/SUP]
The Jewish Russian Telegraph reported that "When asked about a Palestinian state, Gov. Huckabee stated that he supports creating a Palestinian state, but believes that it should be formed outside of Israel. He named Egypt and Saudi Arabia as possible alternatives, noting that the Arabs have far more land than the Israelis and that it would only be fair for other Arab nations to give the Palestinians land for a state, rather than carving it out of the tiny Israeli state."[SUP][94][/SUP] He calls Israel an "ally", "America's greatest friend in the region", and says Israel should have access to advanced weapons and technology.[SUP][95][/SUP]
Huckabee first visited Israel as a teenager,[SUP][96][/SUP] and has returned numerous times since then.[SUP][97][/SUP] In August 2008, he visited Israel along with New York State Assemblyman Dov Hikind as a guest of the Ateret Cohanim religious seminary's Jerusalem Reclamation Project, a New York-based foundation that works to move Jews into Jerusalem's Muslim Quarter. During a visit to East Jerusalem, Huckabee stated "It is a historic reality that Jerusalem, and the entire land, was originally intended to be a homeland for the Jewish people. The Palestinians should in fact have a place and opportunity to settle, but it doesn't have to be in Jerusalem."[SUP][98][/SUP][SUP][99][/SUP] On the same occasion he called a potential division of Jerusalem "unimaginable."[SUP][100][/SUP]
In August 2009, Huckabee visited Israel again this time focusing on visits to settlements and meetings with settler leaders, including a dinner at the Shepherd Hotel, the site of a controversial planned housing project in East Jerusalem. Upon arrival he stated: "It concerns me when there are some in the United States who would want to tell Israel that it cannot allow people to live in their own country, wherever they want".[SUP][101][/SUP][SUP][102][/SUP]
He has advocated for the release of convicted Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard.[SUP][103][/SUP]

The bold would instantaneously be enough for me to reject someone as a politician, and this is coming from one of the most vocal Christians on these forums. But writing dispensational crap into your foreign policy is just awful.

Is that enough for you?

Source:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Mike_Huckabee
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[HOLLYWOOD]

Before the IRS scandal... Hypocrite Huckabee and his Arkansas .gov staff destroyed all communication records, emails and hard drives/servers in Little Rock before leaving. Mr Conservative Cross has no problem coveting money from the poor people of Arkansas while making millions deceiving Americans at FOX NEWS CORP.

TAX HIKE MIKE living large off the people's money.