IMPORTANT! Why Ron Paul Must NEVER Run as an Independent.

[libertyanne]

I got an email this morning urging me to persuade Ron Paul to run as an independent or on a 3rd party ticket later on.

This is either from misguided supporters, or from people who really do not want us to fix America.

Why must this NEVER happen?

The elite know that what we are doing is working. They plan for the long run. Whether or not Ron Paul gets the nomination or becomes president, every day he is showing that the ONLY way we can take our country and economy back is to TAKE OVER THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

Every day, their supporters DIE. People like the evil men who stole votes in NH whom you can see in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKQEQ7qHvgM

The Ron Paul revolution is young,

Every day, we enrol and educate new members.

Using the systems already in place, such as the debates, the Ron Paul revolution has done miracles.

We have hundreds, possibly thousands of supporters who have spent their time and money becoming delegates. We can NOT abandon these people and switch parties.

Delegates are the secret weapon of the elite that were to be used against us. But in this case, that weapon will blow up in their faces.

Every single day, people become delegates and join the Republican Party. Every new election we, who knew next to nothing about politics, are learning about all the scams in the system.

The Revolution is not about one man.

It is about the message and changing the system.

The elite and bankers set up a great two party system for controlling America and it's money. They know that the only thing that can change that system is if we take over one of the parties, like a swarm of ants.

There are now, and probably always will be, MILLIONS of people who will hear of and vote for Ron Paul because he is a Republican. But who will NEVER hear of him if he is a third party candidate. This kind of thing has been proven over and over in the past.

Remember that the revolution will spread to state and local government as well, if we do it this way.

So, whether it is about this election for president, or later ones for the presidency or congress, the ONLY way that we will fix things is to keep doing what we are doing now. That is, charging the battlements of the Republican party and taking it over completely, so that one day the elections and candidates are honest.

The elite know that most of their power base are old.

Whatever happens, remain focused. The systems are already in place for us to save America using the Republican party. Any other way will lead to nothing. May the ants win.

 

[WilliamC]

Good post.

This is how the rEVOLution grows....

 

[roXet]

That is defiantly one strategy, but you have to consider the possibility that the Republican party is too far gone to save.

 

[MJfromCT]

Truth to Power

 

[Jae0]

We're busy running for the Republican nomination why are people hurting our efforts by continuing to bring up third party?

 

[Cleaner44]

That is defiantly one strategy, but you have to consider the possibility that the Republican party is too far gone to save.

It is not a matter of saving it, but remaking it in our new image. A new Republican party that stands for smaller government, lower taxes, more liberty and integrity.

 

[voytechs]

Agree 100% with you. We need to take our government back the presidency is just one part of many.

 

[ItsTime]

Starting a new party is to hard, just ask the libertarians how their movement is going... We need to take back the Republican party. Starting with congress!

This is the main reason we need to keep Ron Paul in the race. We need to find the "hot spots" in all 50 states! This way we can get "Ron Paul Republicans" into congress! We have found hot spots in Jefferson in Iowa, Northern Maine, South West New Hampshire, Middle West New Hampshire, a few places in FL and MI. Carson City NV, Pershing NV. We need to, identify and help support those running for congress and local offices!

Many many more areas that I failed to list. But you get the point.

 

[rdenner]

THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT POST I'VE SEEN ON THESE BOARDS IN DAYS!!!


Read it learn it ACCEPT IT!!

Ron Paul is not going third party PERIOD... The only way REAL change gets affected is by beating the Republican Party at it's own game. Win or lose come Super Tuesday we must stay commited to fundamentally changing the Republican Party and shaping it into our view of America.

LEARN THE TRICKS and bylaws of your local GOP and BEAT THEM AT THEIR OWN GAME!! I have been harping on this at the local level for several months now. I think people are just now understanding what this means.

I went to a local GOP club meeting here in Toledo. We gathered about 20 or so meetup members(it could have easily been double that, but we didn't want to draw to much attention). We tied Mitt in the straw poll they held.

Normally they get about 10 to 12 people to show up. With us and the other younger people that showed up, there was easily 45 people there. If we had PUSHED HARD we could have brought about 45 to 50 LUCAS COUNTY RON PAUL GOP members to that meeting.

We outnumber on the local level the entrenched GOP. THIS WILL BE THE ENDURING LEGACY OF RON PAUL'S CANDIDACY!!

NO THIRD PARTY PERIOD!!

Robert

 

[seeker1]

You GOP Loyalists are really desperate aren't you?

You keep telling us how we need to change the party, stay the course, blah blah blah. You keep pointing to other failures of third parties and that they have no chance of success and somehow that means we shouldn't bother.

I can see that it was a mistake to align with you folks. You only know one thing. Keep the masses polarized and off balance. Good luck with that.

 

[Jae0]

We're Still Running For Republican Nomination Incase You People Forgot.

Why Is This An Issue?

 

[scooter]

I still don't understand how the independent talk is hurting the current campaign? If the GOP doesn't come around after the convetion and name RP the candidate, then I would be disappointed if he didn't continue on all the way through the general election as an independent.

This is not a distraction to what is currently going on. It is a dream that some people have and I think it is perfectly fine for them to have it. Ron Paul going up against both major parties and taking them out would be an amazing triumph.

If Ron Paul ran as independent, it would be the most successful 3rd party campaign ever BECAUSE of the successful attempt for the GOP nomination.

I can see you worried about them losing focus on the primaries, but don't let them stop dreaming. The GOP is quite possibly too far gone. Stay positive, but don't lose the ability to reason with reality.

 

[libertyanne]

I still don't understand how the independent talk is hurting the current campaign? If the GOP doesn't come around after the convetion and name RP the candidate, then I would be disappointed if he didn't continue on all the way through the general election as an independent.


---- The email I got wanted Ron Paul to change to Republican after Tuesday if he doesn't do well! That is way before the convention.

And if he is not a Republican, will he ever get back in Congress to help lead all the other Ron Paul supporters who become congressmen?

 

[Lou337]

Please stop talking about the independent run. What he does with his campaign is his business. We are going for the Republican nomination at the moment so please focus on one thing at a time.

If you want to help his chances of getting Super Tuesday results up, please donate to the Ron Paul Newspaper right now.

How many people are undecided until the last day? About 30%? This paper will spread the word, but they need the last bit of funds. We have raised about $5,196 and some cents but they need $6,000.

Translation: Only $800-ish more is needed to get them out.

Please spread the word. This is one time where your money really equals votes.

 

[LukeNM]

I am an "R" and will only vote for an "R". Third parties do not have a chance, please face up to that fact. I have done the protest vote thing in the past and that did not work for me...

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

You GOP Loyalists are really desperate aren't you?

Seems like it. Paul will run as he chooses, and I'll vote for him regardless. Right now, I'm supporting his run for the republican nomination. When he leaves, I leave. It's a very simple course to follow, for a very simple mind like mine.

I will not be supporting any other GOP candidates unless they're good enough to get Paul's endorsement. Otherwise, it's like sticking with an abusive spouse hoping they'll change someday. No thanks.

 

[Feenix566]

Ron Paul running as a third party candidate (again) would be a bad idea, and here's why:

In our system of democracy, we elect our leaders directly. This mechanism CAUSES the two-party system. How? Because fear is a much more powerful motivator than hope. People don't vote FOR a candidate, they vote AGAINST a candidate. The best way to vote against a candidate is to vote for the guy who's most likely to beat them. That's how you end up with a two party system. Nobody wants to "waste their vote" on a candidate who's not going to win, except for us idealists. Unfortunately, there aren't enough idealists to win the election.

For instance, my cousin is voting for Romney because she listens to a lot of talk radio and she's afraid of a McCain presidency. She's not voting for Romney because he inspired her with his views, she's voting out of fear. I think you'll find this sort of attitude in the vast majority of voters. Even in a primary race, where parties don't matter, it still inevitably becomes a decision between two candidates, because fear plays such a huge role.

If Ron Paul runs as a third party candidate, he may get millions of votes. He may even get tens of millions of votes. But he won't win any states, because he won't beat the Dems or Reps in any states, because too many people will be voting out of fear and not hope. Then it will be reported in the MSM that Ron Paul got zero electoral votes, and that will reinforce the image that third parties can't do anything. Those tens of millions of votes will mean nothing.

The electoral college keeps the two-party system in place. Why else do you think we still have it? Until that gets abolished, there's just no point in running for President as a third party.

Just for the record, I voted for Badnarik in 2004.

 

[familydog]

I got an email this morning urging me to persuade Ron Paul to run as an independent or on a 3rd party ticket later on.

This is either from misguided supporters, or from people who really do not want us to fix America.

Why must this NEVER happen?

The elite know that what we are doing is working. They plan for the long run. Whether or not Ron Paul gets the nomination or becomes president, every day he is showing that the ONLY way we can take our country and economy back is to TAKE OVER THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

Every day, their supporters DIE. People like the evil men who stole votes in NH whom you can see in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKQEQ7qHvgM

The Ron Paul revolution is young,

Every day, we enrol and educate new members.

Using the systems already in place, such as the debates, the Ron Paul revolution has done miracles.

We have hundreds, possibly thousands of supporters who have spent their time and money becoming delegates. We can NOT abandon these people and switch parties.

Delegates are the secret weapon of the elite that were to be used against us. But in this case, that weapon will blow up in their faces.

Every single day, people become delegates and join the Republican Party. Every new election we, who knew next to nothing about politics, are learning about all the scams in the system.

The Revolution is not about one man.

It is about the message and changing the system.

The elite and bankers set up a great two party system for controlling America and it's money. They know that the only thing that can change that system is if we take over one of the parties, like a swarm of ants.

There are now, and probably always will be, MILLIONS of people who will hear of and vote for Ron Paul because he is a Republican. But who will NEVER hear of him if he is a third party candidate. This kind of thing has been proven over and over in the past.

Remember that the revolution will spread to state and local government as well, if we do it this way.

So, whether it is about this election for president, or later ones for the presidency or congress, the ONLY way that we will fix things is to keep doing what we are doing now. That is, charging the battlements of the Republican party and taking it over completely, so that one day the elections and candidates are honest.

The elite know that most of their power base are old.

Whatever happens, remain focused. The systems are already in place for us to save America using the Republican party. Any other way will lead to nothing. May the ants win.

Oh boy. You've opened up a can of worms

Be prepared to be called a traitor, GOP lackey, unpatriotic, etc.

 

[rdenner]

So let's say Ron Paul wins by some miracle as an independent/libertarian/constitution party. THEN WHAT? By his own admission he needs the people's representatives to help him make the changes we need. Those will be controlled 100% by either the Dems or the Repubs..

This movement I'm sorry to say is bigger than Ron Paul and Dr Paul understands this. We are building an unstoppable force here. UNDERSTAND what I'm talking about here.

I HAVE BEEN IN THIS MOVEMENT for over 15 years so DON"T ANY OF YOU doubt my commitment to this cause. All of you Johnny come lately's don't have a fucking clue as to how hard it is to fight against the system. Those of us in this movement who have been doing it for decades know what we're talking about. I personally have been involved in Libertarian(big L) politics since about 1992. And we are worse off now than we were 15 years ago.

We have a golden opportunity to reshape a MAJOR POLITICAL party at the grass roots level. WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU REMAKE THE WHEEL??? The infrastructure is there and waiting for us to take it over.

In some areas of this country we could take over without so much as a fight. Like in Lucas County Ohio, there is essentially no GOP whatsoever as we've been dominated by scandal and Dems for so long, it's not even funny.

With the 120 Plus Ron Paul supporters on Meetup ALONE, we could take over in a heart beat.

That's just one county in ONE STATE. We have over 1800 Meetups of different sizes, not to mention the Facebooks and others out there.

You will be sorely disappointed if you think that Ron Paul is going to go back on his word and jump ship to be an Independent. The Libertarian Party for the most part has turned it's back on all of us anyways. They are to busy fighting with each other to bother helping us out in this revolution.(talking about the entrenched Libertarian hierarchy)..

If you want this movement to mean something, than you better get your head around this idea and embrace it.

Robert

 

[Iwantchange]

I agree with parts of this, but not all of it. I don't think by running for an Independent people are going to forget that the republican party is broken or discourage people to run for the republican party. And you said you yourself the bankers and the elites own both parties so why not make the biggest statement of all and get an Independent elected. I think America wants change and their willing to vote Independent to get that change.

I know several republicans that already plan on voting for the democrats if Obama wins, but if Clinton wins they've made the premeditated statement that there going to vote Independent instead of voting for the lesser of two evils.