Importance of getting involved in your local GOP

[affa]

It's not an "attempt to derail your efforts". It's an attempt to warn all of you that your efforts will be co-opted, your group will be infiltrated, and the movement will be hijacked. Watch for neocon candidates in liberty clothing. These people in the GOP don't play nice.

I've seen TPTB infiltrate, co-opt, hijack, corrupt, and destroy so many movements in my life it makes me sick. They're incredibly good at it.

 

[FSP-Rebel]

I've seen TPTB infiltrate, co-opt, hijack, corrupt, and destroy so many movements in my life it makes me sick. They're incredibly good at it.

True but we haven't always had the numbers in past situations. These days, it's not hard to see who those are that are linked in with the establishment so they would hardly be welcomed in any group of liberty lovers, let alone be given any sort of leadership role. That basically leaves the estab folks to entice or hire other randoms to join up in our group and again, they'd be snuffed out the second they went against the proverbial liberty grain. People worry too much, just full steam ahead.

 

[cajuncocoa]

True but we haven't always had the numbers in past situations. These days, it's not hard to see who those are that are linked in with the establishment so they would hardly be welcomed in any group of liberty lovers, let alone be given any sort of leadership role. That basically leaves the estab folks to entice or hire other randoms to join up in our group and again, they'd be snuffed out the second they went against the proverbial liberty grain. People worry too much, just full steam ahead.

If we have these great numbers, why isn't Dr. Paul the GOP nominee?

 

[FSP-Rebel]

If we have these great numbers, why isn't Dr. Paul the GOP nominee?

Didn't mean to come off like we had numbers to primary Paul into the White House, just meant that our movement is growing and big enough thwart off co-opts by those in party politics that would try such a thing.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Didn't mean to come off like we had numbers to primary Paul into the White House, just meant that our movement is growing and big enough thwart off co-opts by those in party politics that would try such a thing.

Don't fool yourself.

 

[NoOneButPaul]

It's not an "attempt to derail your efforts". It's an attempt to warn all of you that your efforts will be co-opted, your group will be infiltrated, and the movement will be hijacked. Watch for neocon candidates in liberty clothing. These people in the GOP don't play nice.

So that means the only alternative is going 3rd party which will be as successful as the current LP- which isn't successful at all and only riding off Ron's coattails. Its also where the future coopters want us because then they don't have to deal with us period.

Basically what you're saying is we just should quit and do nothing.

I'd rather do SOMETHING, and fight against the Co-Op later, than do nothing in a 3rd party.

 

[NoOneButPaul]

If we have these great numbers, why isn't Dr. Paul the GOP nominee?

Rome wasn't built in a day... building these things takes more than 5 years.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

So that means the only alternative is going 3rd party which will be as successful as the current LP- which isn't successful at all and only riding off Ron's coattails. Its also where the future coopters want us because then they don't have to deal with us period.

Basically what you're saying is we just should quit and do nothing.

I'd rather do SOMETHING, and fight against the Co-Op later, than do nothing in a 3rd party.

My post #13 describes an alternative that IS working, involving NOT being based in either a major party or minor party, but using vetted liberty candidates from the minors to primary open seats in safe Republican or safe Democratic districts. Let's do "something" that isn't a trap to keep us as cogs in the current establishment's regime. A gerbil running in a spinning cage is doing "something." Let's do our something as an independent movement that isn't co-opted. Let's do "something" that gets us someWHERE.

 

[Natural Citizen]

My post #13 describes an alternative that IS working, involving NOT being based in either a major party or minor party, but using vetted liberty candidates from the minors to primary open seats in safe Republican or safe Democratic districts. Let's do "something" that isn't a trap to keep us as cogs in the current establishment's regime. A gerbil running in a spinning cage is doing "something." Let's do our something as an independent movement that isn't co-opted. Let's do "something" that gets us someWHERE.

I hate that term..."movement". By default you're confined to a predetermined schematic in all of this.

 

[specsaregood]

True but we haven't always had the numbers in past situations. These days, it's not hard to see who those are that are linked in with the establishment so they would hardly be welcomed in any group of liberty lovers, let alone be given any sort of leadership role. That basically leaves the estab folks to entice or hire other randoms to join up in our group and again, they'd be snuffed out the second they went against the proverbial liberty grain. People worry too much, just full steam ahead.

I think it has less to do with numbers and more to do with the ease of news gathering and communication because of the internet. I'm guessing Paul agrees and that is why the C4L's newest focus is internet freedom.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Did I say that Kurt Bills is a neocon? Did I mention anyone by name? Nope, that's just you putting words in my mouth.

But that doesn't mean that some non-specified so-called liberty candidate won't prove to be a disappointment once they get to the House or Senate. Whether now, or in the future.

But, hey...if you like having to fight with people in your own party (who are supposed to be on your side but will sabotage your every effort) feel free. I'm not derailing anything, just expressing my opinion about it.

It's evolution dude. Growing pains that every organization is going to have to feel. Will there be disappointments, certainly, but there will also be many sweet victories in the future. Remember, the revolutionary forces suffered some crushing defeats, but only came back to fight stronger. If it was easy everyone would do it.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

It's a tough road either way, but remember, Paul managed to hang on to his House seat IN Texas, despite the establishment. The grassroots or 3rd party activists could range from those who are fully independent to those who are (by preference) enrolled in one of the major parties for the purposes of jumping into an open seat situation. The point is to be ready to pounce and hit the ground running from a separate base of resources, than being joined at the hip to statist party A or B.

The reason Paul could function as a free man in Congress, and on his own resources as a presidential candidate in the primaries, is he avoided GOP PAC money by developing his own national mailing list, email list, CFL PAC, and developed his own meetup and grassroots network of Republican and Libertarian liberty activists. Building on that same independent, cooperative model can produce the same results at the local level to support liberty candidates, both in the election, and once in office.

Actually, Ron Paul's success in his district is because he's a well-known, well-respected, physician that delivered a good portion of the people in his area.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

If we have these great numbers, why isn't Dr. Paul the GOP nominee?

So, since the highest and most powerful office in the world has eluded us in the few short years Ron Paul got this movement energized, you're throwing in the towel? We've been wildly successful at numerous state, local, and federal levels. I have a feeling the Presidency won't elude us for long either, give the Liberty movement another four years!

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

So that means the only alternative is going 3rd party which will be as successful as the current LP- which isn't successful at all and only riding off Ron's coattails. Its also where the future coopters want us because then they don't have to deal with us period.

Basically what you're saying is we just should quit and do nothing.

I'd rather do SOMETHING, and fight against the Co-Op later, than do nothing in a 3rd party.

+Rep

My thought exact! Third parties are pushing on string, they do absolutely nothing of substance, especially in 21st century America.

 

[Jackie Moon]

So that means the only alternative is going 3rd party which will be as successful as the current LP- which isn't successful at all and only riding off Ron's coattails. Its also where the future coopters want us because then they don't have to deal with us period.

Basically what you're saying is we just should quit and do nothing.

I'd rather do SOMETHING, and fight against the Co-Op later, than do nothing in a 3rd party.

Yes, exactly. The Republican establishment would love for us to give up on the GOP and go away. That's why they try to say that Dr. Paul and the rest of us aren't "real Republicans" and should stick to the Libertarian Party. They know that if we keep getting our people in to positions in the GOP we can continue to replace the corrupt establishment officials, and take control of states like Iowa and Nevada.

The more of us that become precinct officers and committee members, the easier it will be for our candidates in 2014 and 2016.

 

[cajuncocoa]

So, since the highest and most powerful office in the world has eluded us in the few short years Ron Paul got this movement energized, you're throwing in the towel? We've been wildly successful at numerous state, local, and federal levels. I have a feeling the Presidency won't elude us for long either, give the Liberty movement another four years!

The GOP apologists on this board love to put words in the mouths of their opponents! If you could point me to where I said I'm "throwing in the towel", I would appreciate it. Just because I won't work within the GOP doesn't mean I'm quitting. You guys feverishly working in the Grand Old Party are going to need people to work the phones for the candidates you endorse. Give me someone I can get behind, and I'll burn up those phones for him or her.

 

[tsai3904]

Results are in.

Matt DeVries, Ron Paul's Iowa 3rd District Co-Chairman, lost by ONE vote.

21 of 22 delegates were in attendance and a candidate needed 11 votes to win.

Ballot 1 Results: DeVries 10, Landon 10, Robidoux 1, Wright 0
Ballot 2 Results: Landon 12, DeVries 9

There is no Democratic opponent in the general so Landon will be the next State Representative. We missed out on a great opportunity here.

 

[tsai3904]

Results are in.

Matt DeVries, Ron Paul's Iowa 3rd District Co-Chairman, lost by ONE vote.

21 of 22 delegates were in attendance and a candidate needed 11 votes to win.

Ballot 1 Results: DeVries 10, Landon 10, Robidoux 1, Wright 0
Ballot 2 Results: Landon 12, DeVries 9

There is no Democratic opponent in the general so Landon will be the next State Representative. We missed out on a great opportunity here.

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[Algorres]

From last nights NV CCRCC meeting:

 

[sailingaway]

Actually, Ron Paul's success in his district is because he's a well-known, well-respected, physician that delivered a good portion of the people in his area.

that isn't where the money he needs came from when he was contested by the establishment.