Immigration Ad

PgmrPaul

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From the start, I argued that this ad did not fit Dr. Paul's philosophy. I objected to the rights violation inherent in the collectivist idea of labeling everyone from a given country as a terrorist (and therefore banned from studying in America), just as I would object to being labeled a war criminal for being an American. I also realize that a border fence never could work and that the obsession with unauthorized immigrants has been the excuse for violating American's rights; for example forcing us to get government permission to be hired for a job (through government verification of identity and Social Security Number.)

As evidence that the paid campaign's commercial mis-represents RP's ideas on immigration, compare the immigration ad and RP's interview with John Stossel. The ad (http://www.ronpaul2008.com/press-releases/97/ron-paul-unveils-new-tv-ad-on-immigration/) says that RP wants to "Physically secure the border." And yet in an interview released 1/3/08, RP told Mr. Stossel (http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/018242.html) that "I don't think the fence can solve a problem. I find it rather offensive."

The competence of the paid campaign has been severly questioned by forum members with far more political knowledge than I have. I just want to stand against this moral error. By the way, even though RP supporters in the thousands and RP-supporting blogosphere stars like Justin Raimondo have called for the ad to be dumped (http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/12/29/ron-pauls-disgraceful-ad/), the paid campaign still lists it on the press release section of RonPaul2008.com. I guess it really is up to RP and the grassroots to win in spite of the paid campaign.
 
Wow. The power of denial is....well, powerful!

Do you realize that you just insinuated that it is the grassroots and Ron Paul against his own political campaign who he hired and oversees? And the title of this post insinuates that Ron Paul has disapproved his own campaign ad when he clearly states at the end of the ad: "I am Ron Paul and I approve this message".
 
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By the way, even though RP supporters in the thousands and RP-supporting blogosphere stars like Justin Raimondo have called for the ad to be dumped

Boo hoo.
 
ErikBlack

I realize that you can either say RP flip-flopped OR that the campaign made an ad and put his pre-recorded approval on the end of it. I prefer the latter explanation because it fits with his philosophy of individualism. And yet I was about to buy into your opening ad-hominem. Better luck next time.
 
thisisgiparti,

Sorry, when I see a moral issue I don't just mention it once and let it go. That would fail both myself and the candidate I support. Now, what about fixing the problem?
 
apropos,

Given your skill at using the quote function, I wonder if you have better skills of persuasion to demonstrate?
 
As evidence that the paid campaign's commercial mis-represents RP's ideas on immigration, compare the immigration ad and RP's interview with John Stossel. The ad (http://www.ronpaul2008.com/press-releases/97/ron-paul-unveils-new-tv-ad-on-immigration/) says that RP wants to "Physically secure the border." And yet in an interview released 1/3/08, RP told Mr. Stossel (http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/018242.html) that "I don't think the fence can solve a problem. I find it rather offensive."

You can physically secure the border without a fence. You can do it with guards and surveillance. In fact, the ad shows a border guard cuffing someone at the precise moment that line is spoken.
 
thisisgiparti,

Sorry, when I see a moral issue I don't just mention it once and let it go. That would fail both myself and the candidate I support. Now, what about fixing the problem?

How about fixing your title? It is a blatant lie, since the campaign - and Ron Paul - still approve the ad. I clicked on the link expecting to hear news. There is nothing new here.

This thing you posted is a landmine; it's subversive and misleading. If you are truly trying to lead a moral crusade, then type up a petition and circulate it in grassroots or write the HQ a nice, chatty letter. Otherwise, you're beating a dead horse.
 
A physical fence is not needed.
Proper laws make it unneccessary.
Look at oklahoma and Arizona.
they passed laws prosecuting anyone providing housing and jobs.
The illegals left immediately.
Problem solved
 
If that ad is still being played in NH which someone said was the case, it could cause RP lose many young votes there to Obama. NH is 44% Independent voters.

This is not a policy issue, it's issue of perception and priority of message that goes out. If RP is going invoke 'terrorist nations' fear, he no longer remains candidate of Hope. 08 is a very wrong year to get votes based on fear of any flavor. Tancredo was perceived as too meanie and his support never built. Where are the anti war ads, that is the most credible issue and RP was right on that years ahead of others?

Anyone has email address of RP campaign manager or some other decision maker in campaign?
 
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