Osan,
For an eloquent man, and respected member on these forums, I am genuinely surprised by this. What your post boils down to is pragmatism over principle.
No man, you've taken it completely wrongly. Note my sarcasm... it IS detectable, is it not? Or have I become too subtle?
I say have fun with all this nonsense. Why? Because none of it can be credibly taken seriously insofar as the titular figureheads are concerned. There are other, far more seriously dangerous realities out there.
Could you really vote for a man who would murder innocent family members, advocates illegal torture, and force a reluctant military to commit war crimes?
D00d, you cannot be serious. Which one of these feckless, scurrilous bastard-demons do you think will NOT do the same? Which one of them do you think will NOT pile drive the remnants of your life into the ground? Please, sir - take a step back and give a broader think on what it is you are suggesting here. Whether Trump or any of the others are elected, the same innocents are going to die fiery deaths. That much is forgone simply because the decision rests not with the singular man in the funny-shaped office, but by Legion.
I'm upset with the status quo as much as the next man, but what you suggest is that we abandon everything we hold dear in truth and in principle... and go vote for the angry rich guy because "fuck it"
You mistake my meanings. I suggested what I did precisely because for one thing it matters no whit which of these scum are seated. Secondly, Trump is the only one for which there exists the most remote possibility that he is not bought and paid. Note "REMOTE".
The political process as it stands will yield no net improvement for those who seek freedom. Bank on it.
Therefore, the political process needs modification. This might mean civil disobedience by the tens of millions or it may mean open warfare. Those, too, may hold little chance of bringing the desired change, but they hold precisely that much more than doing the same old thing, yet again.
I would hope that upon deeper reflection, you would not seriously consider voting for Trump just to spite the system.
Spite has nothing to do with it. Entertainment, at the minimum, does. The slimmest chance that he is an actual and true cowboy who will not be bought is the less hopeful element in this.
The man is an unknown quantity.
So? You make my point with this very bit. I KNOW who the others are and that they are eyeballing my sphincter, licking their lips, engorged. So sorry, but I'm not in that mood. Donald might turn out to be the same, so whoopdee friggin' doo if he is. We are no worse off... and at least I get to laugh at this clownery a little bit before the BOHICA event hits.
He is a variable, not a constant in this equation. However, what we do know is that he would grow government, kill lots of people, and abuse the already grossly powerful executive branch.
I will not vote for Trump... my soul would rightly object.
Short of a civil war, government is going to continue to grow by leaps and bounds. Or do you feel you have a basis for claiming otherwise?
Don't vote for him if you feel that strongly about it. I certainly have no objection. But you may want to rethink the basis for your position on the matter, because I am not seeing good reason behind it. I may be missing something vital - if so, show me what it is.
