I’m gay. And I want my kid to be gay, too.

[PierzStyx]

Gay movement's worst enemy right here. Ifshe can make her daughter gay then sexuality is just a choice and gays aren't denied anymore rights than straight people, gays.

 

[pcosmar]

Poor kid.

this was why I decided long ago ,, not to bring any child into this fucked up world.

No offense to any that have chosen differently.. But I just can't do that.

 

[jmdrake]

Gay movement's worst enemy right here. Ifshe can make her daughter gay then sexuality is just a choice and gays aren't denied anymore rights than straight people, gays.

Interesting admission from the article:

The idea that no one would choose to be gay is widely held — even in the gay rights movement. In the early ’90s, partly as a response to the destructive notion that gay people could be changed, activists pressed the idea of sexuality as a fixed, innate state. Scientists even tried to prove that there’s a “gay gene.” These concepts about sexual orientation helped justify the case for legal protections. The idea that folks are “born gay” became not only the theme of a Lady Gaga song, but the implicit rationale for gay rights.

“I wouldn’t even choose for myself to be gay,” a friend once told me. It was a sad admission, because she was.
....
Here you might expect me to say something about how, if my daughter were gay, she would undoubtedly face challenges and hurdles she wouldn’t encounter if she were straight. Maybe. And maybe if I weren’t an upper-middle-class white lesbian living in a liberal city, I’d have such worries. But no matter what, I’d want my child to be herself. If I lived in, say, North Carolina, with an adopted son from Morocco, I’d like to think I would encourage him to be Muslim, if that’s what he chose. I’d do this even though his life would probably be easier if he didn’t. It’s also easier to succeed as a dentist than an artist. But if my daughter wants to be an artist, I’ll encourage her all the way — and work to destroy any barriers along her path, not put them up myself.


The people who began pushing the "nobody chooses to be gay" argument did it from a position of political expediency rather than scientific reality. And sadly it has now become hateful dogma.

 

[jmdrake]

To the degree that "gay" is genetic, there may be a pretty good chance.

Well so far there's no proof that it is genetic.

 

[thoughtomator]

In a libertarian world there would be nothing legally wrong with a homosexual wanting to have homosexual children. Those decisions are within the individual domain so no one else can rightfully have a decisive say in the matter. While I would be highly likely to decline associating with such an individual, it's not my right or anyone else's to tell them not to do it.

 

[AuH20]

Ghey has become a cult.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Being gay, being Muslim... both choices often regarded by liberals as innocuous and inconsequential as choosing your favorite flavor of ice cream. Choosing a religion? Whatever makes you happy. It doesn't matter if you're right because none of us enlightened liberals actually believe in that shit anyway.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I caught that as well, and that's why I posted it.

Looks like mommy and mommy are trying to have it both ways.

Good luck with that.

Interesting admission from the article:

The idea that no one would choose to be gay is widely held — even in the gay rights movement. In the early ’90s, partly as a response to the destructive notion that gay people could be changed, activists pressed the idea of sexuality as a fixed, innate state. Scientists even tried to prove that there’s a “gay gene.” These concepts about sexual orientation helped justify the case for legal protections. The idea that folks are “born gay” became not only the theme of a Lady Gaga song, but the implicit rationale for gay rights.

“I wouldn’t even choose for myself to be gay,” a friend once told me. It was a sad admission, because she was.
....
Here you might expect me to say something about how, if my daughter were gay, she would undoubtedly face challenges and hurdles she wouldn’t encounter if she were straight. Maybe. And maybe if I weren’t an upper-middle-class white lesbian living in a liberal city, I’d have such worries. But no matter what, I’d want my child to be herself. If I lived in, say, North Carolina, with an adopted son from Morocco, I’d like to think I would encourage him to be Muslim, if that’s what he chose. I’d do this even though his life would probably be easier if he didn’t. It’s also easier to succeed as a dentist than an artist. But if my daughter wants to be an artist, I’ll encourage her all the way — and work to destroy any barriers along her path, not put them up myself.


The people who began pushing the "nobody chooses to be gay" argument did it from a position of political expediency rather than scientific reality. And sadly it has now become hateful dogma.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Interesting that even though she's been raised by lesbians she still understands that heterosexual relationships are the ideal.

That's the thing that struck me as well. Could it be that hetero relationships really ARE normal? Say it ain't so...

 

[William Tell]

That's the thing that struck me as well. Could it be that hetero relationships really ARE normal? Say it ain't so...

It is so, and that's why we are all here. Including the homosexuals.

 

[fisharmor]

What about the daughter's dad, what happened to him?

The what, now?

It's a fucking distraction, people!

I don't know about you, but I welcome distraction while I wait for everyone else to catch up to exactly how fucked we all are and exactly how little this sort of thing really matters.
I'd have an aneurysm if all I did was think about it.... and thinking is all that's going to happen for at least the next 10 years.

 

[presence]

Sounds fegtastic. Its her kid. None of my business.

 

[jmdrake]

I caught that as well, and that's why I posted it.

Looks like mommy and mommy are trying to have it both ways.

Good luck with that.

Thanks. I've subscribed to this thread for the next time I'm bullied by some of the militant gay agenda screechers on this forum. If a gay person can question the false dogma that there is no choice in being gay than why must a straight person bow down to that dogma?

 

[PaulConventionWV]

In a libertarian world there would be nothing legally wrong with a homosexual wanting to have homosexual children. Those decisions are within the individual domain so no one else can rightfully have a decisive say in the matter. While I would be highly likely to decline associating with such an individual, it's not my right or anyone else's to tell them not to do it.

I don't think anyone here would take any legal issue with people being gay or raising gay children.

 

[Ethek]

In my own estimation, Kids will attempt to perfect thier ideal of both the masculine and the feminen within themselves. I would not be fearful of any of that being lacking in the relationship between parent and child, but the child does look to embody both themselves. This would be to the best of thier ability and with the modeling embodied by thier parental figures, homosexual or hetrosexual. We all have the qualities so I don't think that it matters what type of sexual makeup is involved with the parental relationship, mainly the roles played out in the interaction between parents. If there is any one area a child feels needs development, I do think they will tend to structure relationships to bring those aspects into the best mirror possible for themselves to look at.

If you deny or denigrate one aspect, I would bet money that it might be a source of fascination for a child.

 

[Mr Tansill]

Pretty much hits it right on the head...

http://youtu.be/5Zw4PIcjVNg?t=12s

 

[lilymc]

Pretty much hits it right on the head...

http://youtu.be/5Zw4PIcjVNg?t=12s

I love this so much. Thank you!!!

 

[amy31416]

There is a difference between not rejecting someone or making them feel bad about a choice and aspiring for them to make that choice. I'm sure you wouldn't reject your daughter if she became a pole dancer. (Queue up someone saying "How dare you compare being gay to pole dancing" and someone else saying "What's wrong with pole dancing?")

Anyway, what's more interesting to me is that on the one had some gays and their pro-gay supporters will argue you down, without any scientific evidence to back up their argument, that being gay simply cannot be a choice or a learned behavior even in the slightest little bit. And yet we see stories like this. Now this doesn't prove that being gay is a learned behavior, but it does prove that believing it might be doesn't make one "homophobic." Not unless one believes this gay mother is afraid of herself.

From my own observations, I think that some people are genetically gay, and some make the choice--especially women. At the end of the day, I just really don't care much what choice people make, or how they are oriented sexually, so long as they give me the same consideration.

I do think it's in human nature to want to build a community of people like yourself though--and that's probably a component of racism/sexism/whateverism. Being accepted for who you are goes a long way.

 

[Rothbardian Girl]

Interesting admission from the article:

The idea that no one would choose to be gay is widely held — even in the gay rights movement. In the early ’90s, partly as a response to the destructive notion that gay people could be changed, activists pressed the idea of sexuality as a fixed, innate state. Scientists even tried to prove that there’s a “gay gene.” These concepts about sexual orientation helped justify the case for legal protections. The idea that folks are “born gay” became not only the theme of a Lady Gaga song, but the implicit rationale for gay rights.

“I wouldn’t even choose for myself to be gay,” a friend once told me. It was a sad admission, because she was.
....
Here you might expect me to say something about how, if my daughter were gay, she would undoubtedly face challenges and hurdles she wouldn’t encounter if she were straight. Maybe. And maybe if I weren’t an upper-middle-class white lesbian living in a liberal city, I’d have such worries. But no matter what, I’d want my child to be herself. If I lived in, say, North Carolina, with an adopted son from Morocco, I’d like to think I would encourage him to be Muslim, if that’s what he chose. I’d do this even though his life would probably be easier if he didn’t. It’s also easier to succeed as a dentist than an artist. But if my daughter wants to be an artist, I’ll encourage her all the way — and work to destroy any barriers along her path, not put them up myself.


The people who began pushing the "nobody chooses to be gay" argument did it from a position of political expediency rather than scientific reality. And sadly it has now become hateful dogma.

To be fair, I think the newer research is showing that some indeterminate (yet possibly significant) percentage of people have fluid sexualities, which implies a lack of a static sexual orientation, but also implies that outside attempts to change this orientation are fruitless (therefore continuing to reject the notion of "therapeutic" changes of sexual orientation). The insistence that gay people couldn't change their orientation specifically developed from resistance to the idea that sexual attraction could be changed or fully repressed. I'm thinking it's more of a historical artifact and the first "line of defense" against conversion therapy crusaders, as most people, for some odd reason, don't find sexuality theory as fascinating as some of us. Even the presence of fluid sexuality doesn't necessarily imply that sexual orientation can be purposefully changed. People who report a fluid orientation don't suddenly wake up and say "Well, I think I'll be attracted to (insert gender here) for the rest of my life" - it literally is comparable to a fluid that has no fixed shape, but does have a fixed volume and consistency. I'd best describe it as a shifting of poles that happens pretty randomly; just because a person prefers men/women now doesn't always mean they will prefer that gender for the rest of their life, or even for the rest of any given length of time.

As a consequence of this, trying to convince people to pick a side usually doesn't work out. You're entirely right that the "nobody chooses..." argument was done out of political expediency, but it wasn't done because they knew deep down that the "conversioners" (for lack of a better term) were correct. They were choosing to (over)simplify areas of sexuality that weren't well-understood and remain that way to this day. Thankfully the conversation is starting to change as people grow more open to discussing this sort of thing.

 

[Danke]

From my own observations, I think that some people are genetically gay...

I guess you have a gift for that...then.