I'm a Romney Supporter and I Have a Message for All of You

[Ozwest]

That's wishful thinking.

If people don't start waking up soon, they will only have themselves to blame when the Republic is gone.

 

[tribute_13]

Dan if you're still revisiting this site. Thanks for becoming a member and being civil. Some of our members still have hard feelings about the unfair bias towards Dr. Paul so please don't let a few spiteful comments generate an overall impression of the site.

I will say this. For a while before I supported Ron Paul I did support Mitt Romney because he did seem to be a very intelligent, educated out spoken individual. However his views on the economy turned me off after I started doing some research on Dr. Paul and his, seemingly, outrageous claims about the DoE, the War on Drugs, and various other federally mandated failures. If Mitt would change his stance on those things or at least entertain the thought or concede that the War on Drugs is a failure or that certain Federal Departments need to be dismantled if anything because they are spending money we don't have, I will be the first to say I hope Mitt does well in 2012. But his views now don't offer very much as an alternative candidate. I'll keep an eye on him.

My take on the NPR thing is that although I did take part in the Macro War I only did so after reading the article about how Romney supporters could spam the polls to pull ahead. Since both of us were spamming the polls no one can complain over the use of Macro's whether on general principle or who did it first. Kudos to you guys for nearly beating us.

As much as I'd love to see Mitt recant a few of his stances due to the dire situation of the economy I doubt it will happen.

Once again thanks for being civil and welcome to the forums.

 

[Epic]

I love it when a politician says the politically unpopular thing when it’s right..... I agree with Mitt that it would be a betrayal to our troops to have them fight for 6-8 years for a cause and then just say it was a waste and lose.

1. If you like politicians doing the right thing, and not the politically popular thing... look at Ron Paul.

2. Military people gave more money to Ron Paul than to all other candidates combined. They are not owed victory just as history did not owe George Bush a war. Nobody has a claim on my money and fighting in Iraq and Afghan. sure as hell costs money (and lives).

 

[tribute_13]

Romney is on record over and over as opposing gay marriage. His conversion to being pro-life is very will documented. However, you do have a bit of a point about gun control. He has said that the ban he signed on certain assault weapons would never be implemented across the country, but I’m still not sure if I agree with him implementing is at all. I’m sure Mitt had experts from both sides and absorbed a ton of information before he made that decision because he does that with all of his decisions.

Have you ever considered that since the institution of marriage is strictly a religious ceremony that maybe the government should ONLY be involved in civil unions for tax and health purposes? If a church wants to deny marrying two gays they have the right to do so since its clearly a religious belief. I'm against the federal definition of marriage because its clearly a violation of church and state by forcing a religion to define its own doctrine. I'm atheist but I still think Christians should have the reserved right to deny gays from marrying.

I do think they should have civil unions and that the Federal government should leave marriages as religious ceremonies and nothing more. If I love someone I shouldn't have a piece of paper or the government's permission to do so. I say this because the whole point of the government being involved with marriage in the first place was to ban interracial marriages.

 

[Dripping Rain]

Heres my problem with Romney

whereas Ron Paul was on tv defending Romney's freedom to worship as a Mormon this guy goes around laughing at him and disrespecting him

Jan 10 08:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pNgt9fKY4A#t=465

Romney: "In this time when our economy is a little fragile... not sure where we're head..."

Jan 20 08:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lAFfLy05_Y

Romney on the Mark Larsen show laughing at Ron Paul again and laughing at cutting back the budget

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wNJr9Nq_HQ#t=415

Paul: "I believe we're in a recession. I think it's gonna get a lot worse ... Recession has been predictable, we just don't know exactly when it will come."

Also, Paul gave a well-reasoned argument backing up his position, not just some rhetoric about learning how America's economy works.

 

[Ozwest]

Good on ya Dripping Rain.

I was wondering when someone was going to bring up the total lack of respect the other candidates afforded Dr. Paul, and the way he was excluded by the Republican Party during the primaries and the debates.

The Democrats and Republicans are as bad as each other. They are old and dated.

 

[Bryan]

And for the medical marijuana thing, I know this will sound crazy to many of you, but that video shows some internal conflict with Mitt. He wasn’t comfortable with that at all because he does care about people. However, Mitt doesn’t believe that there are cases where medical marijuana is the only way to treat someone, and he didn’t want to have a soundbyte that could be used against him without having more information so he stuck to his principles.

This is a good reason why many of us stick to the principles put forth in the US Constitution in that these issues should be left to the states. As I'm sure you know, the Federal Government is now actively and forcefully preventing the state of California from tailoring its own medical marijuana laws. I'm not sure how policies like this will win voters over much less support freedom.

I love it when a politician says the politically unpopular thing when it’s right.

+1 on this. Sometimes the truth hurts.

I agree with Mitt that it would be a betrayal to our troops to have them fight for 6-8 years for a cause and then just say it was a waste and lose. We may have made a mistake in going in the first place, but now that we’re there, we owe it to our men and woman in uniform to have at least something good come out of it.

A few points on this without a big debate of foreign policy:
- We need to be able to afford our foreign policy. We have a $11+ trillion debt. It should also be cost-effective.
- We need to be mindful of other peoples wishes in their homeland.

... because the collapse of the American families is a root cause of so many of our other problems.

Agreed- and, IMO, if you study the issues really in depth you can see that the root of the problem of collapsing families is too much governmental involvement, loss of parental rights and a loss of freedom by not adhering to the US Constitution. Without strong families we are doomed as a nation. My experience has shown that following the principles in the Constitution is the answer, everything else is just a band-aide and could make other problems worse.

If you provide any example of family matters policy that sounds good that doesn't follow the principles of freedom I can illustrate how it is bad. Try me.

Finally, the man is a genius and more uniquely qualified to bring Real Change to Washington than anyone else I can think of.

Respected. Please do consider why the Ron Paul grassroots machine developed as it did however- it was about the promotion of liberty, even when some particular issue didn't suite ones personal agenda. My only hope is that others learn and understand these principles and share them within their networks. It's what made America great.

Thanks again.

 

[torchbearer]

Agreed MRoCkEd.

I'm guessing America is going to be more selective in its next choice for President. Sooner or later citizens are going to realize the 2 party system is a one party system.

Miss ya man, how is the southern hemisphere treating you?

 

[Bossobass]

I supported Ron Paul beyond any political activism in my entire life, and I wasn't born recently.

I support Ron because he singularly possesses the kind of unwavering conviction and integrity to the core values his party is supposed to represent and, more importantly, to the US Constitution, as well as to his own personal credo, which includes NEVER having lied to Americans.

I was at the debates in Iowa, NH, Myrtle Beach and Columbia.

I met Ron at the airport in NH and spoke with him for an hour. I asked him the toughest, most personal questions I could ever imagine asking a politician, and his honesty, integrity and depth of knowledge were only eclipsed by the fact that he would afford me the opportunity in the first place, at 5:00 AM, after a national debate and follow up celebration that kept him up until past 2:00 AM.

Anyone who denies that Mitt Romney joined in the conspiracy to belittle and disrespect Congressman and Doctor Ron Paul in front of a national audience (instead of attempting to win a debate with him) either wasn't there, or is a stoned imbecile. PERIOD.

I spoke with Mike Huckabee last summer for 2 hours, including this very subject. I asked him point-blank, "What's your payoff for attacking Ron on cue?", among many other brutal questions, including his ordering of the state owned computer hard drives to be crushed as he left the Governor's mansion.

To Mike's credit, he stood face to face with me, man to man, and answered all of my questions, for better or for worse. He denied taking his points to Ron at the behest of anyone else and apologized if his conduct offended me, leaving it for me to decide if he was sincere or not.

I also bumped into Gilmore, Brownback, Tancredo and shared a flight with Tommy Thompson, all of whom traveled with regular Americans and are fine gentleman.

Huckabee, Tancredo, Thompson, Brownback and Gilmore were not ones who giggled into the open mics like school girls.

Romney, Giuliani, McCain and Fred Thompson did. By their fruits you will know. That was the biggest pile of horse shit I've ever seen in a Presidential campaign, and it happened repeatedly, so don't try to explain it away as a one-time occurrance. Any sort who would resort to that nonsense simply isn't Presidential material. They were the elitists snobs of the campaign and acted as such throughout the campaign.

"Congressman Paul...concerning electability, sir...do you have any?" [Giggle, chortle, hee-haw, ha-ha]. What a bunch of tools. No chance they get my vote for dog catcher, much less POTUS.

Bosso

 

[weslinder]

Mitt Romney the Presidential candidate would have been my second choice among those running for the GOP nomination (maybe 3rd, but I never took Fred Thompson seriously), if Mitt Romney the Governor hadn't disagreed with him so much. That being said, I met him briefly at the RNC, and he was pleasant and seemed like a genuinely nice guy.

 

[dr. hfn]

Honestly when I look at him, I see a vain and aspiring politician. However, I love this dialog. May I suggest that every forum do somehting like this to start a dialogue? That said...Romney is a cheater and disrespectful to Ron Paul:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w166I1s6EM ~Cheating

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXJ31QKhtJM ~Cheating at Straw Poll

Mitt is also not a real or classic conservative in my view. Mitt was a complete asshole to Ron Paul and has an elitist vibe to me. Universal Healthcare is anti-freedom. Gun control is anti-freedom. Abortion is murder. And doesn't Mitt support these things?

 

[tribute_13]

oh yeah, there was also this
Mitt Being Rude and Unprofessional

 

[Ozwest]

Miss ya man, how is the southern hemisphere treating you?

Thanks for asking.

Loving it down here, but my heart remains with the Republic and the document it was founded upon.

 

[ProBlue33]

You are a brave soul for posting here.

The GOP is either going to do one of two things in 2012, put up a sacrificial lamb against Obama, or put up a real contender, if the economy is still in the crapper by 2012, we will be in a major depression, then Ron Paul if he runs would have a chance, because Obama will have failed. And the economic situation will trump all others, by a huge margin.

Although by 2012 Ron might be to old to run, he will be in his mid-seventies.

I always wondered why Romney dropped out so fast during the primary, I was so surprised, he should have stayed in with Huckabee, and Ron Paul, and mixed it up at the GOP convention. He caved into the unity play, and how did McCain repay him, he picked Palin as VP. Oh the The Horror, The Horror of it all!
That would have been the smart play to stay in, even to lose, when you look at the democratic primary run, he should have stayed in until convention, just for exposure.

It could come down to a first round vote
Mitt
Huck
Paul
John

Even if John still won, it would have been better for ALL the major candidates, and the exposure it would have generated for them.

Honestly I don't think anybody could have beat Obama this round, Bush's GOP baggage was just to huge for ANY GOP candidate to overcome, even Ron Paul.

Besides people wanted to support a historic vote for the first black man to be President. Being involved in history itself. It was emotional, now that's that done, the GOP needs to get it's act together. Part of that is trying to get the biggest tent as possible, for people to come into with squabbling.
This forum is part of that tent.

One last point, Mitt was very disrespectful of Ron Paul during the debates and his ideas, either it was just because he never heard them before, or he thought ALL Americans are to stupid to understand them, and accept them.

Either way I remember the smirk on his face, the one that says by it's very nature,
"You old fool, your way out there in nut bar land"
Think it or not, you just don't do that in public, on national TV.

 

[dr. hfn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY6UTnS6Z-A&feature=related ~Romney basically telling a dying man to fuck off. (medical mj)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoU41UwL5LI&feature=related ~Romney's obsession with jihadism...

Romney buys into and/or promotes the asinine "the want to blow us up b/c we're free" argument. A 6 year old can come up with a better explanation than that...

 

[devil21]

Interesting thread. Seems the Mitt Machine is starting up early. Yahoo has an AP article on Mitt's preps for 2012 on the front page.

I kinda thought Mitt's disrespect toward RP wasn't because he wanted to but because he felt like he had to. For every insulting "Reading Ahmadinejad's press releases again" comment, there were plenty of times where Mitt would stare at RP during RP's answers with a look on his face that said "I know you're right and I wish I could say so...but I can't".

 

[He Who Pawns]

Huckleberry Hound sabotaged Romney. That is clear. And then McCain didn't even have the decency to give Huckleberry a reacharound and put him on the ticket as VP. Shows you what a twat McWar is.

 

[weslinder]

I always wondered why Romney dropped out so fast during the primary

He was spending his own money. If a candidate is spending donated money, it's not such a bad idea to keep running with 2nd and 3rd place finishes, and a win here and there. But when he's not getting donations has to dip into his own pocket, it hurts a little more.

 

[He Who Pawns]

He was spending his own money. If a candidate is spending donated money, it's not such a bad idea to keep running with 2nd and 3rd place finishes, and a win here and there. But when he's not getting donations has to dip into his own pocket, it hurts a little more.

Mitt is also no dummy. He could see that Huckleberry was draining off much of the Christian right vote. If Huck didn't drain Romney in Fla, Romney would have won, and McShame would have been forced to drop out.

 

[rightofpeople]

Honestly when I look at him, I see a vain and aspiring politician. However, I love this dialog. May I suggest that every forum do somehting like this to start a dialogue? That said...Romney is a cheater and disrespectful to Ron Paul:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w166I1s6EM ~Cheating

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXJ31QKhtJM ~Cheating at Straw Poll

Mitt is also not a real or classic conservative in my view. Mitt was a complete asshole to Ron Paul and has an elitist vibe to me. Universal Healthcare is anti-freedom. Gun control is anti-freedom. Abortion is murder. And doesn't Mitt support these things?

I had never seen those videos before, that second one is damning.

The guy is clearly given multiple voting cards at the table, and the voters sure are voting for an unreasonably long time.

Not to discount the most damaging aspect, the mainstream media supporting puppet candidates. Incredibly most people vote based off what little they see on TV, without knowing hardly anything about a candidate.