I'm a Christian, but I'm starting to believe that the Christians have hijacked

[RJB]

You need to stop letting the media tell you who your heroes are. Mother Theresa was a piece of shit. Mentioning her does not help your argument.

Great argument. Full of substance and well thought out.

 

[crazyfacedjenkins]

Great argument. Full of substance and well thought out.

Well mentioning her as a "saint" isn't a great argument. Do I have to give you evidence of her inhuman actions, or her greed and deceptions? I would prefer that you find it out for yourself, learning how to research and come up with your on analysis is an important skill.

 

[dawnbt]

I completely disagree. Christianity has not hijacked politics.
Christianity = Love one another as I have loved you = Do unto others as I have loved you.

In reality neoconism, liberalism and all that is evil has hijacked Christianity.

I'm a Catholic. Many leaders have hijacked religion in the past and used it for their own gain. Actions of certain popes come to mind. They were not following the tenents of christianity, but people blindly followed them believing they would do no wrong.

GW has done the same. He claim to be a Christian yet launched a pre-emptive illegal war, but Christians do not believe a christian president would do wrong as Christians in the middle ages doubted that a pope would do wrong.

As AIPAC goes, there is no bible verse (old or new testament) that compels us to pre-emptively nuke Iran for Isreal's defense, but many christians are blind because GW a "christian" (wolf in sheeps clothing, false prophet, etc etc) says so. As a christian I resent the evil in our nation that kills in Jesus's name. And I resent the chumps who blindly follow. They are no better than muslim terrorists.

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[RJB]

Well mentioning her as a "saint" isn't a great argument. Do I have to give you evidence of her inhuman actions, or her greed and deceptions? .

I've read plenty of anti-catholic propaganda, some true, most BS.

I could also post some reports of good that she's done but "I would prefer that you find it out for yourself, learning how to research and come up with your on analysis is an important skill." However, responding with HAHAHAHAH and four letterwords were not in my education for good debate or analysis.

 

[crazyfacedjenkins]

I've read plenty of anti-catholic propaganda, some true, most BS.

I could also post some reports of good that she's done but "I would prefer that you find it out for yourself, learning how to research and come up with your on analysis is an important skill." However, responding with HAHAHAHAH and four letterwords were not in my education for good debate or analysis.

I can sit here and talk about the good things Hitler did for Germans and leave out all the bad, but does that make him a good guy?

 

[crazyfacedjenkins]

I've read plenty of anti-catholic propaganda, some true, most BS.

I could also post some reports of good that she's done but "I would prefer that you find it out for yourself, learning how to research and come up with your on analysis is an important skill." However, responding with HAHAHAHAH and four letterwords were not in my education for good debate or analysis.

As far as cursing, what a joke. I graduated with high honers from a very good university, and I routinely curse at my job, home and while I was a school. Nobody cared, and it doesn't effect my or any body's logic and reasoning.

EDIT: HAHAHAH, It was pointed out that I spelled honors wrong, I'm an ass and that's what I get for saying something so pompous.

 

[RJB]

I can sit here and talk about the good things Hitler did for Germans and leave out all the bad, but does that make him a good guy?

I can sit here and talk about the BS that neocons say about Ron Paul, it doesn't make him any less a great person.

Anyway, even if she is equal to Hitler How about I mention a christian down the street from me who is a good guy instead. The point of my argument (for those who were analyzing) was there are good and bad people in all groups and individuals. If you'd like to stick with Theresa being evil, fine, I'll just name another guy. (shrug)

 

[RJB]

As far as cursing, what a joke. I graduated with high honers from a very good university, and I routinely curse at my job, home and while I was a school. Nobody cared, and it doesn't effect my or any body's logic and reasoning.[/

Which you have yet to demonstrate. Truth Warrior and others I have disagreed with have brought in arguments and debate. I have either tried to refute or agreed. You have instead brought in tangents and obsenity.

 

[crazyfacedjenkins]

I can sit here and talk about the BS that neocons say about Ron Paul, it doesn't make him any less a great person.

Anyway, even if she is equal to Hitler How about I mention a christian down the street from me who is a good guy instead. The point of my argument (for those who were analyzing) was there are good and bad people in all groups and individuals. If you'd like to stick with Theresa being evil, fine, I'll just name another guy. (shrug)

OHHHH so now you want to drop this saint? Well fine lets drop the saint. When we keep going at that rate, you'll start to see a pattern arising. You'll start to notice that there are no "saints."

You didn't quite argue that there were good from Atheist and Christians, you implied Christians are more charitable. You also elevated some to "saints." I guess that's what got me so pissed off. Not very "humble" if you ask me.

 

[crazyfacedjenkins]

I can sit here and talk about the BS that neocons say about Ron Paul, it doesn't make him any less a great person.

Well what the necons say about Ron Paul is simply untrue, I can talk about actual good things Hitler did. My whole point was that there were good things that he did, big deal, he did so much evil.

You can't just pick and choose what someone did and then call them a saint. There are no saints, even as a Christian you should know that. Nobody is without sin...

 

[RJB]

OHHHH so now you want to drop this saint? Well fine lets drop the saint. When we keep going at that rate, you'll start to see a pattern arising. You'll start to notice that there are no "saints."

Alright fine. Mother Theresa is still a saint. I'll stick with my guns. I just thought it was a silly tangent.

You didn't quite argue that there were good from Atheist and Christians, you implied Christians are more charitable.

The prior implications were that Christians were not charitable. I offered those argment to refute the claims. If I offended any atheist, I apologize-- heat of the battle.

You also elevated some to "saints." I guess that's what got me so pissed off. Not very "humble" if you ask me.

The definition of saint is anyone who believes in Jesus. You may have mistaken the title of saint. No harm no foul.

 

[RJB]

As far as cursing, what a joke. I graduated with high honers from a very good university, and I routinely curse at my job, home and while I was a school. Nobody cared, and it doesn't effect my or any body's logic and reasoning.

EDIT: HAHAHAH, It was pointed out that I spelled honors wrong, I'm an ass and that's what I get for saying something so pompous.

haha. I'm just having fun too. BTW I'm an ex-Marine SGT. I bet I can out cuss anyone here

 

[RJB]

There are no saints, even as a Christian you should know that. Nobody is without sin...

Heck I live with temptation every day. I stumble very often. I ask for forgiveness and continue on. We all basically do that. A saint is by no means perfect, they're just dead and in heaven.

Perfection is for God.

 

[Join The Paul Side]

Christianity was and is a creation of the Roman Empire. The empire is gone, the religion remains. Relation with Jesus, not any that I see.

Wrong. Christianity was created by Jesus's disciples (who were Jews) after his death and resurrection. The Romans took over and distorted it.

 

[crazyfacedjenkins]

Alright fine. Mother Theresa is still a saint. I'll stick with my guns. I just thought it was a silly tangent.

The prior implications were that Christians were not charitable. I offered those argment to refute the claims. If I offended any atheist, I apologize-- heat of the battle.


The definition of saint is anyone who believes in Jesus. You may have mistaken the title of saint. No harm no foul.

Apology excepted

 

[Truth Warrior]

Wrong. Christianity was created by Jesus's deciples (who were Jews) after his death. The Romans took over and distorted it.

Without Paul, the Roman marketing guy, no one would even know squat about Jesus. And we're stuck with the distortion. Who really wrote Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, and when? How do you know?

 

[RJB]

Wrong. Christianity was created by Jesus's deciples (who were Jews) after his death. The Romans took over and distorted it.

Sigh. There are a lot of people who try to say Constantine started the Roman church and paganized it. For one thing he is a cannonized saint in the Eastern Orthodox Church, NOT the Roman Catholic Church.

Second the bible was put together in the latter part of the 4th century AD, long after the death of Constantine. To say that the Roman Catholic Church is based on paganism is to say that the bible is as well. Be careful of the roots of the tree that you chop at. It may be your own...

Another thing is there is a line of popes back to Peter. The RCC is the only one who can trace that. There is more biblical evidence for the papacy than the (for example) the Southern Baptist Convention. (To all my protestant friends, this is not a debate on salvation, just history.)

I am looking into the Eastern Orthodox church though. They are the only church besides Catholics who can trace their bishops to the apostles. However Roman Catholism and protestantism is based on Thomas Aquinas's study into Greek philosophy and logic in the 12th century. (Meaning all things of God can be explained with human logic.) This is why the RCC and Protestants have a history of getting into arguments over science (evolution etc.) The Orthodox see such arguments as needless, because the human mind and logic are both limitted and flawed. I can't argue with that.

Just my thoughts. If this post doesn't start a firestorm, I don't know what will heheheh

 

[RJB]

Who really wrote Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, and when? How do you know?

Faith

 

[Nirvikalpa]

Apology excepted

accepted*



Can't we all just get aloooooong? I'm a Christian and I have never attacked anybody on this board for their religion (or lack thereof). Honestly, I am so done with the religion threads and the fighting, and the dissing. People take pride in what they believe, so you're always going to offend somebody. People just have to drop it and get off their high horse, too.

 

[nbhadja]

Alright fine. Mother Theresa is still a saint. I'll stick with my guns. I just thought it was a silly tangent.

The prior implications were that Christians were not charitable. I offered those argment to refute the claims. If I offended any atheist, I apologize-- heat of the battle.


The definition of saint is anyone who believes in Jesus. You may have mistaken the title of saint. No harm no foul.

http://mostlywater.org/mother_teresa_faithless_fraud_and_hypocrite

Mother Teresa= Fraud bitch.