I'm a Christian, but I'm starting to believe that the Christians have hijacked

[kombayn]

Almost every religion in history has been hijacked by some ruler, king or dictator. It's a sad state of affairs, they provided a very damaging reputation to the whole religious movement. Even though I'm not a believer, I do find religion to generally provide a good service to the human race.

 

[Truth Warrior]

Almost every religion in history has been hijacked by some ruler, king or dictator. It's a sad state of affairs, they provided a very damaging reputation to the whole religious movement. Even though I'm not a believer, I do find religion to generally provide a good service to the human race.

Ask the Muslims about the Christian Crusades to the Holy Lands. Ask the Jews about the Inquisition. Ask the Incas and Aztecs about the Christian priests. What about the pedophile Catholic priests? Ask the Cathars about the Pope's army.

 

[Join The Paul Side]

AND, furthermore....

I was thinking that Ron Paul is a true Christian. I believe that one reason he doesn't push and shove and wrangle his way through politics is because he believes that God is in control, and can handle all circumstances. In a way, he allows God to do his work through humans in the best way possible, and that is in an atmosphere of FREEDOM and FREE-WILL, not an atmosphere of MICROMANAGEMENT and COERCION.

I believe it is his Christian faith that keeps him lying low and humble. Ron Paul is a true hero.

Ron Paul reads. He knows his shit. I'm sure he knows the Bible well.

Don't blame the Israel for our foriegn policy. I think the neocons just use protecting Israel as an excuse to remain in the Middle East to protect our current oil interests, conspire to create new oil interest (war with Iran comes to mind), and cause havoc to create instablility in the region.

Israel can protect herself. She can turn the entire Middle east into a parking lot if she wanted to. But if you are truly a Christian as you claim you are, then you would surely know that the Jews are God's chosen people.

God's promise to the Jews is that he will bless those who bless them, and curse those who curse them. As a Christian, which side of God's promise do you want to be on? The blessed side, or the cursed side? Please answer this because I'm curious to know.

Ron Paul is right about Israel. We should remain friends with them, talk with them, trade with them. Ron knows Israel has the military strength and weapons to protect herself. But since we all know Ron reads, I'm quite sure he read in the Bible that God will protect Israel as he had promised to do, which makes America's protection unnecessay.

I think Micheal Sheuer said it best. He said, "I hope Israel prospers. Just not at the expense of American blood or treasure." Not an exact quote, but it was something similar to it.

 

[RJB]

Ask the Muslims about the Christian Crusades to the Holy Lands. Ask the Jews about the Inquisition. Ask the Incas and Aztecs about the Christian priests. What about the pedophile Catholic priests? Ask the Cathars about the Pope's army.

Again those weren't following Christianity. I can say ask the Catholics about the Hugonots. All beliefs have scoundrels.

I could also point at the lack of religion as cause: Ask the Chinese about the atheist Mao, or the Russians about the atheist Stalin. Or the Jews about the Pagan, Hitler. Or the Christians thrown to the lions by the pagan Romans.

But I won't stupe to such a low brow level. I look at the value of the individual not the collective...

 

[RJB]

What about the pedophile Catholic priests? .

BTW, Male public school teachers (in secular schools believe it or not)have a much higher rate of Child molestation. Catholic Priest were even when compared to ministers of other faiths. The true scandal was the cover-up. And yes, that was a disgrace, but that's why my faith is in Jesus, not bishops nor presidents for that matter.

 

[Truth Warrior]

Christianity was and is a creation of the Roman Empire. The empire is gone, the religion remains. Relation with Jesus, not any that I see.

"By there fruits ye shall know them."

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." -- Mahatma Gandhi

 

[hillbilly123069]

They are likely Christians like the Knight's Templar. Power is more important than the word of the gospel, as long as their acts are committed in His name.

 

[Ogren]

Again those weren't following Christianity. I can say ask the Catholics about the Hugonots. All beliefs have scoundrels.

I could also point at the lack of religion as cause: Ask the Chinese about the atheist Mao, or the Russians about the atheist Stalin. Or the Jews about the Pagan, Hitler. Or the Christians thrown to the lions by the pagan Romans.

But I won't stupe to such a low brow level. I look at the value of the individual not the collective...

Its impossible to value individuality when your Christian(or an adherent to any religion for that matter). At that point you've already made up your mind as to whom is moral and who is not. You've classified yourself within a collective group that you believe is better than other groups, therefor you will always presume that you are better than those groups(and the individuals that make up that group)

 

[RJB]

Christianity was and is a creation of the Roman Empire. The empire is gone, the religion remains. Relation with Jesus, not any that I see.

Oh a Zeitgeist fan... LOL. It may take some faith to believe in Jesus. But it takes a heck of a lot more to believe that hodge podge of... Have you looked up the bible verses they quote? No one has tortured, taken out of context, or misinterpretted the bible worse than Charles Manson when he believed Revelations predicted the coming of the Beetles. LOL

The belief that the Danish are Jews is funny.

I'm not knocking Mormonism, but I found it amusing that he quote Joseph Smith on a Revelation to refute a foundation of Judiasm and Christianity, however I doubt the Zeitgeist guy follows the book of Mormons.

"By there fruits ye shall know them."

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." -- Mahatma Gandhi

Good quotes, but that could be said of any group. The "Christians" Ghandi met were the imperial agents of the British empire. Not a good basis.

Judge the individual. Mother Theresa of Calcutta. Francis of Assissi. Most charities are christian organizations. There are Baptist and other christian Hospitals, but I have yet to see an atheist hospital. (I don't mean to down play atheistism, I was one at one time,) but as many Christian sinners you point out I can point out as many christian saints, or just as many atheist sinners. This discussion is rather pointless. Again try to judge the individual not the group.

 

[RJB]

Its impossible to value individuality when your Christian(or an adherent to any religion for that matter). At that point you've already made up your mind as to whom is moral and who is not. You've classified yourself within a collective group that you believe is better than other groups, therefor you will always presume that you are better than those groups(and the individuals that make up that group)

Not true. I live my life according to my values. As a libertarian and a Christian, I do not believe in forcing my beliefs on others. Nor do I claim to know what is in others hearts as you are trying to do now. So why do you think you are better than me?

 

[Truth Warrior]

Oh a Zeitgeist fan... LOL. It may take some faith to believe in Jesus. But it takes a heck of a lot more to believe that hodge podge of... Have you looked up the bible verses they quote? No one has tortured, taken out of context, or misinterpretted the bible worse than Charles Manson when he believed Revelations predicted the coming of the Beetles. LOL

The belief that the Danish are Jews is funny.

I'm not knocking Mormonism, but I found it amusing that he quote Joseph Smith on a Revelation to refute a foundation of Judiasm and Christianity, however I doubt the Zeitgeist guy follows the book of Mormons.


Good quotes, but that could be said of any group. The "Christians" Ghandi met were the imperial agents of the British empire. Not a good basis.

Judge the individual. Mother Theresa of Calcutta. Francis of Assissi. Most charities are christian organizations. There are Baptist and other christian Hospitals, but I have yet to see an atheist hospital. (I don't mean to down play atheistism, I was one at one time,) but as many Christian sinners you point out I can point out as many christian saints, or just as many atheist sinners. This discussion is rather pointless. Again try to judge the individual not the group.

Nope, haven't seen "Zeitgeist". This has been my view for a very very long time.

I judge "human institutions" and find most of them "totally unacceptable" and merely creepy.

 

[RJB]

I judge "human institutions" and find most of them "totally unacceptable" and merely creepy.

I can't fault that belief. By and large, it reflects my own.

 

[Truth Warrior]

I can't fault that belief. It reflects my own.

 

[Nirvikalpa]

I completely disagree. Christianity has not hijacked politics.
Christianity = Love one another as I have loved you = Do unto others as I have loved you.

In reality neoconism, liberalism and all that is evil has hijacked Christianity.

I'm a Catholic. Many leaders have hijacked religion in the past and used it for their own gain. Actions of certain popes come to mind. They were not following the tenents of christianity, but people blindly followed them believing they would do no wrong.

GW has done the same. He claim to be a Christian yet launched a pre-emptive illegal war, but Christians do not believe a christian president would do wrong as Christians in the middle ages doubted that a pope would do wrong.

As AIPAC goes, there is no bible verse (old or new testament) that compels us to pre-emptively nuke Iran for Isreal's defense, but many christians are blind because GW a "christian" (wolf in sheeps clothing, false prophet, etc etc) says so. As a christian I resent the evil in our nation that kills in Jesus's name. And I resent the chumps who blindly follow. They are no better than muslim terrorists.

+1.

 

[SLSteven]

As AIPAC goes, there is no bible verse (old or new testament) that compels us to pre-emptively nuke Iran for Isreal's defense, but many christians are blind because GW a "christian" (wolf in sheeps clothing, false prophet, etc etc) says so. As a christian I resent the evil in our nation that kills in Jesus's name. And I resent the chumps who blindly follow. They are no better than muslim terrorists.

Jesus never mentioned nukes at all

 

[RJB]

Jesus never mentioned nukes at all

true. I was being Captain Obvious at the time

Although Revelations mentions scenes near the end of times that could be interpreted as a nuclear holocaust...

 

[crazyfacedjenkins]

AND, furthermore....

I was thinking that Ron Paul is a true Christian. I believe that one reason he doesn't push and shove and wrangle his way through politics is because he believes that God is in control, and can handle all circumstances. In a way, he allows God to do his work through humans in the best way possible, and that is in an atmosphere of FREEDOM and FREE-WILL, not an atmosphere of MICROMANAGEMENT and COERCION.

I believe it is his Christian faith that keeps him lying low and humble. Ron Paul is a true hero.

WOW. Give the guy some fucking credit on his on merits. He is a man of character. You don't need faith in the boogie man to have character. As a matter of fact, if that's what someone needs to have decency and character, then that's a BAD thing.

 

[crazyfacedjenkins]

To be Christian in the first place one must accept blind faith. Its how all religions work.

HAHA, I love the irony.

 

[crazyfacedjenkins]

I think the conversation ends here for most of the Christians as there is nothing to rectify this truth. Once you can be made to accept something blindly about the nature of the universe and your existence, you can be made to believe anything. Christians have hijacked reality...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH

 

[crazyfacedjenkins]

Oh a Zeitgeist fan... LOL. It may take some faith to believe in Jesus. But it takes a heck of a lot more to believe that hodge podge of... Have you looked up the bible verses they quote? No one has tortured, taken out of context, or misinterpretted the bible worse than Charles Manson when he believed Revelations predicted the coming of the Beetles. LOL

The belief that the Danish are Jews is funny.

I'm not knocking Mormonism, but I found it amusing that he quote Joseph Smith on a Revelation to refute a foundation of Judiasm and Christianity, however I doubt the Zeitgeist guy follows the book of Mormons.


Good quotes, but that could be said of any group. The "Christians" Ghandi met were the imperial agents of the British empire. Not a good basis.

Judge the individual. Mother Theresa of Calcutta. Francis of Assissi. Most charities are christian organizations. There are Baptist and other christian Hospitals, but I have yet to see an atheist hospital. (I don't mean to down play atheistism, I was one at one time,) but as many Christian sinners you point out I can point out as many christian saints, or just as many atheist sinners. This discussion is rather pointless. Again try to judge the individual not the group.

You need to stop letting the media tell you who your heroes are. Mother Theresa was a piece of shit. Mentioning her does not help your argument.