Illnesses point to raw milk’s popularity

[Zippyjuan]

I did a terrible job explaining my feelings on this. I should have left off the top line which said that 38 cases of illness had been discovered. I thought people would be interested to see that Ron Paul gets credit for saying it should be up to people to decide which I agree with. In my second post I state that pasturizing milk reduces nutrition and pointed out that now they are even ultrapasturizing milk which degrades it even more. That is hardly endorsing it.

While I can see that the information from Organic Valley and their decision to ultrapasturize may be taken as my agreeing with it I do not agree with ultrapasturization and should have said so following that link.

This is milk heated at a higher temperature for longer periods of time than "standard" pasturization which reduces nutritional content further- killing off even "helpful" enzymes.

I agree that the risk of getting sick from milk- pasturized or not- is very low as is the risk of getting sick from almost all of the foods we consume- our food supply is pretty well inspected and protected- though based on some threads, one might think that everything we eat and breath and drink is killing us.

 

[PaulStandsTall]

I agree that the risk of getting sick from milk- pasturized or not- is very low as is the risk of getting sick from almost all of the foods we consume- our food supply is pretty well inspected and protected- though based on some threads, one might think that everything we eat and breath and drink is killing us.

Actually, studies show that 100% of people that eat, drink, and breathe, do indeed die.

 

[Zippyjuan]

So far- but there are 6.8 billion here today who have not died (yet)! Hehehe.

 

[Magicman]

So far- but there are 6.8 billion here today who have not died (yet)! Hehehe.

You didn't answer what I wrote. Do you advocate the use of carcinogens or cancer-causing agents in pasteurized hormone milk?

I do agree that people should have a choice between raw milk and pasteurized. Raw milk should not be banned. Leave it as a liberty choice.

I feel like neither should have anything added to it like chemicals, or hormones.

 

[FrankRep]

I've had raw milk on many occasions and never gotten sick.

 

[Danke]

That's not an answer.

You've been here since March 2009. I think you already know the answer.

 

[bossman068410]

You've been here since March 2009. I think you already know the answer.

Just trying to overtly let the others on this forum know what's going on.... ty

 

[Zippyjuan]

You didn't answer what I wrote. Do you advocate the use of carcinogens or cancer-causing agents in pasteurized hormone milk?

I do agree that people should have a choice between raw milk and pasteurized. Raw milk should not be banned. Leave it as a liberty choice.

I feel like neither should have anything added to it like chemicals, or hormones.

Pasturization involves temperatures- not toxic chemicals or carcinogens.

 

[gerryb]

I am going to want all kinds of data on this. I am introducing legislation to legalize raw milk in NC in the next month, and I am sure this will be brought up.

It happens. Frame it this way: Those 38 cases of illness in 4 states were all traced back to this farm, and all customers (such as myself) who purchase from this farm are aware of the problem.

Do you think milk from a pasteurized processing plant could be tracked back?(Pasteurized milk can become contaminated after pasteurization, and the milk then has no defense to kill the bacteria, like raw milk does) There are millions of cases of campylobacter every year that are undiagnosed or can't be traced to their origin.

This is a good comparison on how Raw Milk is demonized and junk food is covered up: http://www.naturalnews.com/034885_salmonella_outbreaks_restaurants.html

 

[gerryb]

Oh the argument will be based on liberty, but I can't ignore the safety argument because that's what is going to come back from the committees and the floor. If we just kinda shrug and say "well people have a right to get sick if they want to" then my vote will end up literally the only vote in favor.

I am sure there are Weston A. Price members who will come argue in favor of your legislation. They are a well educated bunch.

 

[gerryb]

I think your best bet would be to argue that while there is a remote chance of getting sick from raw milk, it's not any more or less (if anything it is less) than other foods - meat, eggs etc. We are not banning meat or eggs because of it, so why should raw milk be any exception. And then the "freedom of choice" argument.

Not sure if this is possible, but if it is, dig up the history on how other states legalized it - which legislator pushed for it and what arguments were used. Also the safety record for raw milk in states where it is fully legal - ME, NH, CT etc.

I can't locate the study that shows raw milk consumers have a lower instance of food borne disease.. but this might do:

Dear NaturalNews readers,

Despite all the fear mongering and warnings about raw milk, the CDC has now openly admitted that not a single person has died from drinking raw milk in the last 11 years.

And yet, the government still criminalizes raw milk sales and "trafficking." Meanwhile, Big Pharma's drugs have created 40,000+ drug addicts in America while killing 200,000 Americans a year -- and they're still legal!

Read more at:
http://www.naturalnews.com/034169_CDC_raw_milk.html

 

[gerryb]

Should be a good debate -- Feb 16th - perhaps get a recording of the livestream?

Harvard Law School Food Law Society Hosting a Raw Milk Debate

At one time, everyone drank raw milk. But with the invention of pasteurization and its alleged safety benefits, consumption of raw milk in this country almost completely disappeared. In fact, in some states it is illegal to sell raw milk. But a growing segment of the population is clamoring for increased access to raw milk, citing its nutritional benefits and recently discovered inbuilt safety mechanisms. Opponents are skeptical of such nutritional claims and believe the safety risks of unpasteurized milk are simply too high.



Join the Food Law Society as we present a debate covering the legal, health, and nutritional merits of raw milk. URL Link to this Press Release, Harvard Law Hosts Raw Milk Debate.

The participants are:



Fred Pritzker, Pritzker & Olson Law Firm
Dr. Heidi Kassenborg, Director, Dairy & Food Inspection Division, Minnesota Department of Agriculture
vs.
Sally Fallon Morell, President, Weston A. Price Foundation
David Gumpert, Author, The Raw Milk Revolution



When: Thursday, February 16, 2012, 7:15 pm – 8:45 pm



Where: Harvard Law School, Langdell South Classroom.



Harvard Law School's street address is 1563 Massachusetts Avenue, Cambridge, MA 02138.



For those who can't attend in person and are interested in watching the livestream, information will be posted on our organization's website, http://www.foodsoc.org.



The video will also be archived on this YouTube page: http://www.youtube.com/user/HLSFoodLawSociety.



Directions to Harvard Law



See this webpage: http://www.law.harvard.edu/about/directions.html.



Locations of parking garages can be found here: http://www.harvardsquare.com/maps.aspx



Map of walking directions from the Subway to Langdell South here: http://g.co/maps/ntgsa



Media Contact: Jonathan Abrams, [email protected]



For Interviews with pro-raw milk debaters, Sally Fallon Morell or Dave Gumpert, contact Kimberly Hartke, Publicist The Campaign for Real Milk 703-860-2711, cell 703-675-5557

 

[furface]

Federal laws against raw milk are typical of government opportunism on crap that nobody wants or cares about. Governments are powerless to do anything against serious crimes like murder, but they're sure good at popping people for smoking wild herbs and spending the money they earn without gov't permission. Likewise, they can't do anything about cancer, but can keep you safe from petty bacterial infections that might even have beneficial effects themselves.

 

[dannno]

This outbreak is from http://www.yourfamilycow.com/ in Chambersburg, Pennsylvania.

I sometimes buy cream and cheese from this farm and I'm on their email list. Here's the details on this particular instance for anyone who is interested.

Feb 3



Feb 3

We suspect a hot water heater that was making hot water (140-150 degrees) but not super-hot (160-170 degrees) played a part in this. We replaced the older heater with a high tech, computerized “tank-less” system that consistently delivers 180 degree water or hotter if we wish.

Looks like it was a hot water heater problem.

I suspect the problem is that the milk industry has been so focused on pasteurization that the processes to keep raw milk safe in our modernized world are not up to spec. I blame this on government regulation which has helped prohibit the sale of raw milk. If we were free to by and sell raw milk, then there would be more safety mechanisms in place such as the ones that this farm has now implemented (new high temp hot water heater, e-mail notification, hold/test safety inspections, etc)

 

[dannno]

A dairy here in Ca was recently accused of this as well, although many of us think that it is just the dairy industries attempt to stop the coming deregulation here in Ca that moon beam has been talking about.

Yes, as I recall this was a few weeks or a couple months ago maybe, the raw milk was pulled off the shelves and it turned out that the milk was fine the whole time.

 

[tropicangela]

The article says it's illegal to cross it over state lines. How did the illnesses span across four states from this farm?

 

[dannno]

The article says it's illegal to cross it over state lines. How did the illnesses span across four states from this farm?

Sounds like some people have to travel a REALLY long way to get their raw milk.. I wonder how many people have fridges in their cars?

 

[tropicangela]

Down here in FL, farmers can sell raw milk only as "pet food."

 

[gerryb]

The article says it's illegal to cross it over state lines. How did the illnesses span across four states from this farm?

Shhhhh.

I drive to 30 mins(each way) every other week to Gettysburg, PA from MD to get mine from a retail store that carries this farms milk.

There are groups that bring hundreds of gallons for their communities consumption to other parts of MD(but from a different farm). I'm sure some folks have the same co-op arrangements for this farm.

Google Raw Milk Freedom Riders -- they recently did a nullification action at FDA HQ -- no one got arrested for transporting or consuming the milk(We had more than 30 cops there, to keep the 100-200 of us in line, though!)

 

[AFPVet]

So what has changed since our ancestors? If the milk is kept in proper conditions, there is no need to pasteurization. Of course, fresh milk was delivered within a very short time frame. Pasteurization only increases the longevity and also creates an excuse for farmers to be more lackadaisical regarding safe milking conditions.