Illnesses point to raw milk’s popularity

[tropicangela]

Who got arrested on a road trip carrying salmonella-laden tacos???

 

[PaulStandsTall]

Yes, there are at least 3 co-ops that deliver through Delaware and CD 1 of Maryland that I know of myself.

All anyone has to do if they want the raw milk, is find their local WAP chapter. They have programs to get it, even if that means making a trip out-of-state on a bi-weekly basis. Talk about grassroots organization that trumps anything government could rival.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

There is great information accumulating in this thread...I particularly enjoyed the bit about how pasteurized milk was even more susceptible to infection because it's natural defense against infection has been killed. I wonder if there is a good way to demonstrate per-capita infection rates between raw and pasteurized milk, and the virulence of typical infections between them.

I mean, just speculating here, but if raw milk is more typically susceptible to campylobacter, while pasteurized milk is more typically susceptible to salmonella or e. coli, well, that's when the relative innocuous symptoms of campylobacter sickness can come into the discussion...

hmm...

 

[gerryb]

http://www.amazon.com/Untold-Story-...9528/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1328581049&sr=8-1

I read this book after learning of raids on local Amish Raw Milk dairies... I've been their customer ever since.

It goes into the details of the science behind raw milk being resistant to disease(and killing salmonella, campylobacter, etc.)

Also info on studies of nutritional differences, raw vs. pasteurized... An experiment was to feed one group of cats raw milk, while the other pasteurized. The raw milk litters went on to produce more genetically sounds offspring(better facial features, better reproduction rates), while the pasteurized litters deteriorated genetically, to the point of not being able to reproduce after a certain amount of generations(maybe even 1, I forget specifics)

Lots of other great historical info, and current cultural info on groups that survive only on (raw)dairy products in their diet.

 

[donnay]

You know another interesting aspect about Raw Milk Vs. Pasteurized Milk--when raw milk sours you can make other things with it like; buttermilk, yogurt, Kefir, and cheese. When Pasteurized milk sours you cannot do anything with it but throw it away, really. It's nasty.

If you buy ultra-pasteurized milk you cannot even make yogurts, cheeses or custard with it.

 

[Magicman]

Pasturization involves temperatures- not toxic chemicals or carcinogens.

That's not the point the point is that pasteurized products are artificially laced with poisons and hormone cancer causing agents while none of that has been happening with Raw Milk. That means that pasteurized products are more dangerous.

 

[gerryb]

That's not the point the point is that pasteurized products are artificially laced with poisons and hormone cancer causing agents while none of that has been happening with Raw Milk. That means that pasteurized products are more dangerous.

Bingo. No antibiotics causing super viruses, no mastitis(seriously, horrendously gross... think about it next time a cup of pasteurized milk is in front of you...), no hormones. Eating grass instead of grain, making a more nutritious product and healthier cow(grain causes e-coli when it ferments in a cows stomachs). The raw dairy cows don't have to be euthanized after 18 months (I mean turned into chop meat) to prevent disease from destroying the investment.. etc. etc.

Glen, another arrow in the quiver: Raw Milk dairies produce milk with lower bacterial counts than milk after it has gone through pasteurization...(At least that's the law in many places I've read about)

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Good stuff!

BTW Gerry, it looks like I have attracted the attention of G. Edward Griffin and FFI, and am likely to end up a supported candidate...

 

[gerryb]

Good stuff!

BTW Gerry, it looks like I have attracted the attention of G. Edward Griffin and FFI, and am likely to end up a supported candidate...

Awesome!

Funny I stopped giving to them and gave to your campaign instead. This is a conspiracy to make me feel guilty and double-down!

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Awesome!

Funny I stopped giving to them and gave to your campaign instead. This is a conspiracy to make me feel guilty and double-down!

LMAO! I am pretty sure it was a patriot imported from New Zealand name of Fergus Hodgson who brought their attention to me. We will be discussing it further at an event at which I am speaking on Thursday. There is even talk about being added to something called a "hall of honor" which sounds good, except I throw up in my mouth a little every time I hear the honorific "Honorable," since I know that most of those who take pride in it are anything but 'honorable.'

 

[Zippyjuan]

That's not the point the point is that pasteurized products are artificially laced with poisons and hormone cancer causing agents while none of that has been happening with Raw Milk. That means that pasteurized products are more dangerous.

What kinds of poisons are being added?

 

[dannno]

What kinds of poisons are being added?

Hormones are added so that the cows lactate year around and to make more milk.

Then the cows' utters get huge and can drag and/or the teets get bloody from friction because they aren't designed to be milked year around.

This causes infection which is then treated with anti-biotics.

So now you have hormones, anti-biotics, blood and puss all going into the milk.

 

[Magicman]

What kinds of poisons are being added?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYpafipJyDE

 

[foxtrotterz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYpafipJyDE

That guy sounds like he is debunking the consumption of milk entirely.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Thank you for the video.

The things listed may also be in raw milk as well as pasturized milk. The milk at my local store says "from cows not trested with rBST"- the growth hormones.

(My uncle was a dairy farmer until he retired).

 

[AFPVet]

Hormones are added so that the cows lactate year around and to make more milk.

Then the cows' utters get huge and can drag and/or the teets get bloody from friction because they aren't designed to be milked year around.

This causes infection which is then treated with anti-biotics.

So now you have hormones, anti-biotics, blood and puss all going into the milk.

Exactly. Also, what some people don't realize is that you can't just skimp on clean and proper milking conditions because you have antibiotics. Antibiotics only kill the bacteria... not the plaque (the fecal matter of the bacteria) which is also toxic. It is best to consume fresh milk from a farm which properly cares for the animals and the milking process. With proper milking and shipping conditions, there is nothing wrong with fresh milk.

On a related note, some people today cannot tolerate as much bacteria in their body due to the lack of good bacteria—which has been killed off in some people by consuming excess amounts of antibiotics. When we start screwing with nature, it tends to offset a few things....

 

[XNavyNuke]

There is great information accumulating in this thread...I particularly enjoyed the bit about how pasteurized milk was even more susceptible to infection because it's natural defense against infection has been killed. I wonder if there is a good way to demonstrate per-capita infection rates between raw and pasteurized milk, and the virulence of typical infections between them.

Here's another paper that you might find helpful is developing your position, specifically on raw milk.
PDF: Milk, Machines, and Social Mobility

XNN

 

[XNavyNuke]

Pasturization involves temperatures- not toxic chemicals or carcinogens.

Or it may not involve high temperatures at all. Radiation can be used as an alternative.

If you look at what dairy farmers use to feed milk back to their own calves, the benefits of UV treatment is touted. It's quite ironic that public health officials will tell you that heat treatment in no way changes the nutritional content of treated milk and yet the published data on UV in veterinary journals says the exact opposite in support of UV over heat pastueization.

How Does the UV Pure Compare to Conventional Heat Pasteurizers?

Chart can be found at the link. Published data from GEA Technologies was conducted at University of Wisconsin.

In addition, with the UV Pure, the UV light kills the bacteria, without affecting the nutrient value found in natural milk. And immune factors (IgGs) found in fresh milk, which are essential to early calf health, remain relatively unchanged during the UV Pure purification process. Traditional heat pasteurization, on the other hand, reduces the level of these immune factors significantly – putting calf health at risk.

XNN

 

[Magicman]

Thank you for the video.

The things listed may also be in raw milk as well as pasturized milk. The milk at my local store says "from cows not trested with rBST"- the growth hormones.

(My uncle was a dairy farmer until he retired).

If they are selling healthy raw milk why on earth would they need to put hormones in it? Plus, you can easily find sources from sites that provide raw milk without hormones. You don't get that trust and promises with pasteurized milk who are more concerned with mass quantities over authenticity.

http://www.realmilk.com/where03.html

 

[Zippyjuan]

If they are selling healthy raw milk why on earth would they need to put hormones in it? Plus, you can easily find sources from sites that provide raw milk without hormones. You don't get that trust and promises with pasteurized milk who are more concerned with mass quantities over authenticity.

http://www.realmilk.com/where03.html

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Hormones are not added to milk after it leaves the cow. If there are any hormones in milk they would have come from those given to the cow itself. Pasturized milk may or may not have hormones- again, it depends on the cows just as whole milk may or may not have hormones in it as well. Yes, you can find whole or pasturized milk without hormones.