Illnesses point to raw milk’s popularity

[PierzStyx]

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And the FDA does SO much better. That is why I was able to buy a bag salad without having to worry about getting E. Coli. *sarcasm* The problem isn't raw milk its simple cleanliness. And the Fedgov hasn't shown me they do it any better than anyone else.

 

[lib3rtarian]

I am going to want all kinds of data on this. I am introducing legislation to legalize raw milk in NC in the next month, and I am sure this will be brought up.

I hope you get it passed. Good luck.

 

[Cowlesy]

Apparently, there is still a risk that a food or beverage can make you sick.

/sarcasm

Aside from that, hope the people who got sick get better, and the farmer can improve his processes --- sounds like his family is pretty jolted over it.

 

[Tod]

LOL........Frothy is trying to look western: wearing a bolo tie!

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I hope you get it passed. Good luck.

Thanks -- it's gonna be rough. But I'm used to standing 169 vs 1 by now so we'll see what happens.

 

[PaulStandsTall]

Gunny, are you going to make a case for raw milk's safety or make it strictly a case about liberty? Unfortunately since this is a confirmed report of raw milk's potential to cause illness (just like every other food/drink on the planet) it might be timely to argue the latter?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Gunny, are you going to make a case for raw milk's safety or make it strictly a case about liberty? Unfortunately since this is a confirmed report of raw milk's potential to cause illness (just like every other food/drink on the planet) it might be timely to argue the latter?

Oh the argument will be based on liberty, but I can't ignore the safety argument because that's what is going to come back from the committees and the floor. If we just kinda shrug and say "well people have a right to get sick if they want to" then my vote will end up literally the only vote in favor.

 

[PaulStandsTall]

But people do have a right to get sick if they want.

Well I'm sure more about this incident will come out in the next week so I'll bump this thread. If nothing happens though, I'll call the farmer and try and get the inside scoop. I've met him before and he was a nice guy so I'm sure he wouldn't mind.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Thanks! I have a meeting on the morning of the 9th with someone willing to advocate for raw milk in front of the committee, and a yet-to-be scheduled committee meeting towards the middle/end of February.

 

[donnay]

Oh the argument will be based on liberty, but I can't ignore the safety argument because that's what is going to come back from the committees and the floor. If we just kinda shrug and say "well people have a right to get sick if they want to" then my vote will end up literally the only vote in favor.

Here is some information that might be helpful to you:

http://www.realmilk.com/rawmilkoverview.html
http://www.rawmilk.org/default.php
http://www.rawmilkusa.com/rawmilk.html
http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/Raw_Milk_FAQ.html

 

[Isaac Bickerstaff]

Gunny, we have been working on this in Minnesota this session. If you would like, I could mail you a hard copy of our packet. It is really good. PM me an address I can send it to if you would like. Since my business is raw milk, I know what you will be up against, and I know the script that the other side will read from as well. If you do it right, you can introduce it as a consumer safety bill.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Gunny, we have been working on this in Minnesota this session. If you would like, I could mail you a hard copy of our packet. It is really good. PM me an address I can send it to if you would like. Since my business is raw milk, I know what you will be up against, and I know the script that the other side will read from as well. If you do it right, you can introduce it as a consumer safety bill.

Thanks! PM sent with my office address. When going into battle it's a good idea to be well-armed.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Here is some information that might be helpful to you:

http://www.realmilk.com/rawmilkoverview.html
http://www.rawmilk.org/default.php
http://www.realrawmilkfacts.com/
http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/Raw_Milk_FAQ.html

Thanks! I will try to have this source-data well compiled by the meeting on the morning of the 9th.

 

[donnay]

Thanks! I will try to have this source-data well compiled by the meeting on the morning of the 9th.

If you need any specific help compiling the date, do not hesitate to ask. I will be more than happy to help you!

 

[lib3rtarian]

Oh the argument will be based on liberty, but I can't ignore the safety argument because that's what is going to come back from the committees and the floor. If we just kinda shrug and say "well people have a right to get sick if they want to" then my vote will end up literally the only vote in favor.

I think your best bet would be to argue that while there is a remote chance of getting sick from raw milk, it's not any more or less (if anything it is less) than other foods - meat, eggs etc. We are not banning meat or eggs because of it, so why should raw milk be any exception. And then the "freedom of choice" argument.

Not sure if this is possible, but if it is, dig up the history on how other states legalized it - which legislator pushed for it and what arguments were used. Also the safety record for raw milk in states where it is fully legal - ME, NH, CT etc.

 

[XNavyNuke]

Oh the argument will be based on liberty, but I can't ignore the safety argument because that's what is going to come back from the committees and the floor. If we just kinda shrug and say "well people have a right to get sick if they want to" then my vote will end up literally the only vote in favor.

Been there. It sucks being in a committee hearing when PhD's from the Department O' Health are testifying that your product is dangerous and must be properly regulated. The back room, post hearing get together, called by the senator sponsoring the legislation was even more infuriating. In my case I was getting a 100 gallon exemption for the bottling of honey without a bottling facility. I had 3 PhD's testify that the exemption would be a public health risk if passed. All I had was a stack of journal articles and no medical degree to add weight to my words.

Good luck Gunny!

XNN

 

[Magicman]

Zippy do you make the establishments position on everything?

How is this guy a Ron Paul supporter, everything he finds is from the establishment? How come he didn't post the recent find of Taco Bell and all the problems they had and its filled with chemicals? The chance of raw milk being dangerous is extremely slim versus taking the health risk of eating foods that contain poisons...I'll stick to my raw milk over any processed foods. There is far greater danger in processed foods then raw milk.

What about the FDA trying to label vitamin B6 is a drug? Everything he finds comes from the dark side.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Ron Paul shoutout to Raw Milk on RevPAC !

 

[Magicman]

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Did you even look at this disease, campylobacter, it's no worse then a cold or a simple infection? Jeez, Zippyjuan. This is a non story. By the slim chance you get this the worst you get is some diarrhea. LOL, they have worse common symptoms in prescription pharmaceutical commercials standardization running on television that are a common occurence!!!!

The government says the milk is unsafe because of the pathogens cows may encounter on the farm. A wide variety of pathogens besides campylobacter, can be found in raw milk — including salmonella, listeria, E. coli and others — and those sickened could suffer from stroke, kidney failure, paralysis or death, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The agency points out that raw milk killed many people — especially young children — before the onset of pasteurization, which kills disease-causing germs by heating milk to high temperatures for a specific period of time.

I love how they say milk is so dangerous and they post no statistics they are just fear mongering. What about all the poisons that are in all of our foods, and the CDC allowing poisons in vaccines, why aren't they stopping that if there so worried about Raw Milk dangers which are completely bogus since they know that raw milk helps the immune system, these people are such bullshit artists just like Zippyjuan. Just look at every post Zippy makes it's towards something in nature that is always propaganda and he has no concern about poisons that are artificially put in our foods. Maybe, Zippy will make a thread on oxygen being dangerous and all the people getting colds will have to stop breathing!

The chance of E.coli and Salmonella is slim in a free market that is working in our best interests. You have more of a chance of drowning in your swimming pool then catching this. Also, why not just focus on a cure rather then fear mongering oh yeah that's covered when they got rid of colloidal silver which could easily fight those diseases? Any diseases that could come from raw milk are easily cured but trying to fight the poisons they put in pasteurized milk and hormones is a lot trickier and difficult to counter its bad effects. Have you done any studies on how hormones can accelerate Cancer?

http://colloidalsilversecrets.blogspot.com/2011/06/colloidal-silver-and-e-coli.html

 

[bossman068410]

Such as my bit on ultrapasturization and why it is not good?

That's not an answer.