Illinois firefighters stand idle while man drowns [VIDEO]

[Anti Federalist]

Simple. Every day I carry a 100ft rope in my work truck, and a spare set of clothes. I would have tied one end off on a drain grate or maybe had some big guy tie it to his waist, Tied the other end to my waist, and shimmied my way out. When I get to the guy, say "Hold on to me" while I hand over hand it back to shore. I wouldn't consider it heroic at all. Fairly mundane actually. Change into dry clothes, grab a cup of hot beverage at that McDonald's I see across the street, and back to work.

Your "big guy" just stepped up to hold on to that line and haul your asses back.

And buy the coffee.

Free men.

 

[Tod]

Assuming the guy in the water got there by walking out on the ice (how stupid do you have to be to do that?) why should anyone feel obligated to risk their own lives to save him after the public has denied funding for the responding fire fighters to have appropriate ice rescue equipment on hand*?

The gene pool average IQ has gone up slightly after this event.


*that is assuming they had to wait for someone to bring equipment from another department. If the delay was caused because some idiot deciding that it was acceptable to have equipment that required inflating manually, then that is another issue.

 

[AGRP]

Assuming the guy in the water got there by walking out on the ice (how stupid do you have to be to do that?) why should anyone feel obligated to risk their own lives to save him after the public has denied funding for the responding fire fighters to have appropriate ice rescue equipment on hand*?

The gene pool average IQ has gone up slightly after this event.


*that is assuming they had to wait for someone to bring equipment from another department. If the delay was caused because some idiot deciding that it was acceptable to have equipment that required inflating manually, then that is another issue.

I agree. We cant expect first responders in the the midwest and great lakes region to be prepared to rescue people in frozen lakes during the winter. That would be like expecting life guards in hawaii to be prepared to rescue swimmers and surfers. These are totally unreasonable expectations and the guy deserved to die.

 

[ivflight]

There are more than a dozen such ponds within 2500ft of the one in the video, and new subdivisions in the same area have been opening up every year for the last 7. Chambana is essentially a drained swamp and every time an area is developed they have to work in some water storage. All these subdivisions have plenty of kids and rescuers should have been well-trained for this type of emergency.

This is also a university town which means lots of young people and lots of political contention. The fact that this happened when a lot of students are gone won't help, but I expect there will be some backlash over this.

 

[phill4paul]

The fire Dept had no ladders? (and go across the same ice that the guy walked out on)

Seems they were too intent on using the new and improved wrong tool for the job.

They must not have gotten to that chapter in their "How to be a good cadet" handbook. Critical thinking is discouraged. The important criteria with government is either to become immobilized with action or to negate it with extreme prejudice. It truly is fight or flight with the government.

 

[AGRP]

They must not have gotten to that chapter in their "How to be a good cadet" handbook. Critical thinking is discouraged. The important criteria with government is either to become immobilized with action or to negate it with extreme prejudice. It truly is fight or flight with the government.

They use ladders all the time and it gets boring after a while. Using a ladder isnt fun compared to an inflatable yellow boat.

 

[FrancisMarion]

This is really disturbing.

I can offer a bit more information that will make it more disturbing, as I drive by that pond a few times a week. The rescue workers in the at video are standing right at the edge of a Menards parking lot. A 20 second sprint would put you in aisles full of rope and any other hardware you might need to complete the rescue. They even have a hunting section and, I might guess, inflatable rafts. In the amount of time they spent letting that guy die, I could have run to the store and built a small raft. Or I could have gotten back to the pond with a couple sheets of plywood to spread my weight on the ice. They even have 36ft wood beams in the yard. There are a hundred ways individuals could have fixed this if allowed to. Wish I was there...

36' beams require teamwork. I guess they will continue to sit in the yard.

Sad story on so many levels.

 

[phill4paul]

They use ladders all the time and it gets boring after a while. Using a ladder isnt fun compared to an inflatable yellow boat.

Oh. fuck yeah. Pretty, gleaming, shiny for the win!

 

[bolil]

I don't suppose they could've ventured to the near shore and tossed one of these out.

I am a plumber in illinois, I would have helped this man. What the fuck. Just watch em die. So many ways this guy could have been saved. Ridiculous hero wannabe pricks. I risked my neck roofing more than these fire fighting ********************************************8 ************** ******* *


They made a big deal about that train shit, how bout this? Huh? Didn't even need a rope... coulda tied freaking jackets together.

 

[oyarde]

Well reading all of this really brings home the fact to me that this is not the same world I grew up in .... the other one was better ...

 

[phill4paul]

Well reading all of this really brings home the fact to me that this is not the same world I grew up in .... the other one was better ...

Strange. Isn't it? To wake up in a world of mal-compassionate retards?

 

[bolil]

They should all be fired, the entire department. Let them find work in the private sector where they can maybe excuse the gross incompetence. Ill put em on... removing filled up unsanitized ejector pits. Ill even let them wear their fire hats on the job. Smokejumpers go into forest fires without the pansy assed "precautions" of these clowns. To save trees, much less a man. To bad their were no military personnel on site. They woulda got his ass out.

 

[AGRP]

Well reading all of this really brings home the fact to me that this is not the same world I grew up in .... the other one was better ...

Sorry to break it to you, but its always been this way. Its just that the world got a lot smaller with the advent of the internet.

 

[phill4paul]

They should all be fired, the entire department. Let them find work in the private sector where they can maybe excuse the gross incompetence. Ill put em on... removing filled up unsanitized ejector pits. Ill even let them wear their fire hats on the job. Smokejumpers go into forest fires without the pansy assed "precautions" of these clowns. To save trees, much less a man. To bad their were no military personnel on site. They woulda got his ass out.

Yup. The citizens of the town should spit on the fucks in the uniforms everyday to show discontent. Of course they would be arrested for doing do.

 

[bolil]

I think this video put me over the edge. thats it. The pigs on site were probably looking around for a dog to toss in the pond and then shoot. In lieu of a dog, they coulda just shot the man drowning. Them flailing arms looked like threats! Firefighters are one bench press and porno removed from welfare.

 

[TheTexan]

This would have been a much better story if one of the people went and actually did something while the firefighters and cops just stood there

 

[psi2941]

everyone is so quick to bash them. yet no one stops to think, wtf was he doing ont he ice in the first place?

 

[bolil]

everyone is so quick to bash them. yet no one stops to think, wtf was he doing ont he ice in the first place?

IT DON"T MATTER. Not even a little bit. There are easier ways to kill oneself, so I think that wasn't a motive. Maybe he was drunk. Maybe he was stoned. Maybe he was sad. Does not matter. Fire Flighters are paid to rescue, and they watched him drown. Oh, sure, the boat, brilliant tactic launching from the far shore... umm. what the fuh?. That is why I am pissed. And allegedly the pigs on scene threatened private attempts at rescue with arrest. I feel that man did not have to die, he was allowed to die. He could have been saved, and wasn't screw that. Screw them. Screw.

 

[phill4paul]

everyone is so quick to bash them. yet no one stops to think, wtf was he doing ont he ice in the first place?

WTF does it matter? They were paid to provide a service and failed. Simple enough.

 

[psi2941]

"FIRE FIGHTER" implies their paid to fight fires. Not to save dumb asses doing dumb stuff. He should have know the risk of walking onto the ice and should have had an emergency plan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P531IaBGRHU