Illinois firefighters stand idle while man drowns [VIDEO]

I am not ready to jump all over them because I was not there and can't say for sure what the situation was that prevented them from performing the rescue. I guess the one question I have is that I live in an area surrounded by water, as a consequence we have trained dive teams with pretty much every local volunteer fire department. When a call comes in about a fisherman, diver, boater, swimmer, etc that is in trouble a dive team is automatically dispatched along with the regular rescue units. Those trucks are loaded down with john boats, ropes and other assorted equipment that would be needed for a water rescue. So I have to wonder if this fire department or locality have any units like this and if they were there. If they do exist they would be fully equipped to handle such an event.
 
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jdmyprez_deo_vindice said:
I am not ready to jump all over them because I was not there and can't say for sure what the situation was that prevented them from performing the rescue. I guess the one question I have is that I live in an area surrounded by water, as a consequence we have trained dive teams with pretty much every local volunteer fire department. When a call comes in about a fisherman, diver, boater, swimmer, etc that is in trouble a dive team is automatically dispatched along with the regular rescue units. Those trucks are loaded down with john boats, ropes and other assorted equipment that would be needed for a water rescue. So I have to wonder if this fire department or locality have any units like this and if they were there. If they do exist they would be fully equipped to handle such an event.
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They do. The dive team was called in after he went under.
 
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I was not there, so I cannot possibly put myself in that position. Though, from what I see is more of a concern for following the "book" or their "training", rather than "someone's in the water, what do we need to do to get him out?" It seems to be a common thing with all of these cases of "first responders" acting as if they don't care. Unfortunately, I feel as if human nature and common sense has been "trained" out of them.

ONE cop ran to Cabela's to get rope? ONE? One cop used COMMON SENSE? Only ONE? Why didn't they use the ladder? Why wasn't SOMETHING that wasn't in the "training" used? I think that's the biggest concern most people have about this situation.

Sure, the "first responders" did everything they were "supposed" to by their "training", and they'll be "praised" for following their damn training, while not really giving a damn about the sap who died 30 feet from them.
 
Tpoints said:
Good luck having 8 year olds pull you up when you're actually in water (and not supported by ice)
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The cool thing about a ladder is that you don't need someone to pull you... you can climb them on your own.
 
Nirvikalpa said:
You can point out all this ridiculous hypotheticals, but that's not what happened.



Amen. +rep. So easy to be a critic when you're sitting behind a computer screen.

I love the collectivism of the OP in regards to all first responders.
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Really? What was so collective about any of the comments, sorry but in todays age we have so many laws and rules that people cannot use common sense and figure out a situation like this one it seems. People wanted to help (let um, their life) but the leo's would not let them. Any of those bystanders could have possibly had a better idea than waiting 10 minutes to fill up a raft with air. I don't think anyone is complaining about first responders in general overall just the way these ones were doing there job, but it seems you get really offensive when these types of threads pop up since you are/were one yourself. I realize not everything will go according to plan but good god for an environment like this you would think after all these 100 of years firefighters would have the tools and knowledge and an actual plan to get people out of frozen ponds, lakes ect. ect. a lot more quickly than they did.
 
Cleaner44 said:
The cool thing about a ladder is that you don't need someone to pull you... you can climb them on your own.
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He would have known that if he had looked at the link I gave.

This is something cub scouts learn.. I learned it in the Boy Scouts and in school safety classes when I was a kid.


The possibility that this was not common knowledge sort of boggles the mind.

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tod evans said:
As a 10 y/o boy I jumped into the pond to pull out one of the neighbor kids who'd fallen through....This was north of Chicago and plenty cold....

So hell yes I expect a grown man who's paid with tax-payer dollars to get his happy ass out in the wet and save the guy!
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+rep both for your bravery as a boy and your common sense as a man.
 
Cleaner44 said:
The cool thing about a ladder is that you don't need someone to pull you... you can climb them on your own.
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Ok, I'll do that next time somebody falls out of a plane, what idiot would get a parachute when they can climb a ladder on his own? You don't need to actually pull a person upward, but holding a ladder in place is probably hard enough for an 8 year old.
 
pcosmar said:
He would have known that if he had looked at the link I gave.

This is something cub scouts learn.. I learned it in the Boy Scouts and in school safety classes when I was a kid.


The possibility that this was not common knowledge sort of boggles the mind.

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You mean a ladder doesn't need to be held in place? Can I just drop ladders all around the lake next time? Or can I throw a person a ladder when he falls out of an airplane? Why was I so stupid to think somebody needs to hold or pull your ladder for you...sorry!
 
How the crap are these corrupt individuals not trained for this fairly common emergency? if they had a rope and any type of flotation device, all they had to do is send out one guy and attempt a 2 minute rescue. This isn't rocket science. Geez.

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I was Coast Guard - Great Lakes four years. Personally did several through ice rescues. Looking at the equipment available ladders, ropes, etc. there was no excuse for not conducting a rescue. It appears they couldn't figure out a way to rescue, but figured out a way to recover the body. What a pitiful group of people conducting this failed rescue
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how the hell did he get in the pond? Placing on the ice? I drank some iced tea today and under the cap it said, "Don't just stand there, do something."
I am fortunate to live in a town where the police took on criminals who had more firepower, without any casualties on their side.
 
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