"Illegals!!"

[PAF]

 

[TheTexan]

It means they're trespassing on private property.

I guess Larken Rose just stopped caring about private property rights at some point?

 

[PAF]

It means they're trespassing on private property.

I guess Larken Rose just stopped caring about private property rights at some point?

He actually nailed the point concerning private property rights. It's the brainwashed and/or statists who bow to politicians and socialism who have it all backward. Maybe listen to the whole thing.

Ain't it amazing that when a democrat does it it's evil commie crap. But when a republican does it, he can make commie socialist converts out of just about anybody/everybody.

Damn it, now I need to look up what the success rate is to reverse brainwashing, if it can even be done.

 

[TheTexan]

He actually nailed the point concerning private property rights. It's the statists who bow to politicians and socialism who have it all backward. Maybe listen to the whole thing.

I did see that part actually, and he didn't really make a counter argument about it not being private property. He apparently just thinks that because the ruling class has adverse possession of this private property, that it's somehow ok to trespass? I don't follow that logic.

Ain't it amazing that when a democrat does it it's evil commie crap. But when a republican does it, he can make commie socialist converts out of just about anybody/everybody.

I don't care if it's a Republican or a Democrat that kicks them out I just want them kicked out. Neither party is likely to actually do it.

 

[PAF]

I did see that part actually, and he didn't really make a counter argument about it not being private property. He apparently just thinks that because the ruling class has adverse possession of this private property, that it's somehow ok to trespass? I don't follow that logic.

Then all I can say is it's one of those thing where it can be interpreted the way one wants to hear something. Because I know what the full intent of this border fiasco is about, as well as being an ardent supporter of private property and privacy rights, I'm not about to sway my principles to appease to tptb just because "brown people". Because once it's done, it'll be too late to say "damn, I royally fucked up just to prove a point and never should have compromised myself for the sake of politicians/government. If you choose to do that, that's on you, not me.

I don't care if it's a Republican or a Democrat that kicks them out I just want them kicked out. Neither party is likely to actually do it.

It can't be done, even if was the right thing to do which it's not, not when 51 million people are concerned. But it's the lead up that's going to aid in the technocratic rollout and the loss of even more liberty. The problem is, folks never look a the whole design, but rather only one issue at a time. Enough information has been posted here on this site by me and a couple of others, but most still have their heads buried in the sand just like it's been the past 100 years or so. Pride goeth before the fall, but whatever, people haven't evolved to where they can efficiently multitask in their thinking. It's always in hind sight and after the fact before they can piece it together. Furthermore, morals can't be legislated, but it's morals which will determine where this country is headed, and so far it ain't good because of folks like you and @Anti Federalist, and the like. All I can do is try to get folks to see and understand, but again it's ultimately on them, not me.

Something else for you to consider; if people coming here was such a big deal, mises.org and Ron Paul would be discussing that, which they don't. The root cause is well known, but few folks are even talking about it anymore in favor of bigger, more intrusive government and even more government employees.

 

[TheTexan]

Then all I can say is it's one of those thing where it can be interpreted the way one wants to hear something. Because I know what the full intent of this border fiasco is about, as well as being an ardent supporter of private property and privacy rights, I'm not about to sway my principles to appease to tptb just because "brown people". Because once it's done, it'll be too late to say "damn, I royally fucked up just to prove a point and never should have compromised myself for the sake of politicians/government. If you choose to to do that, that's on you, not me.

You have compromised your principles however. You're choosing to ignore the private property rights so that you can feel better about people trespassing.

And that's fine, I'm not even judging you for it. We're all hypocrites and compromisers but at least I can be honest about it.

It can't be done

It can be done, we just lack the collective willpower to do it. And in that regard you're right, it can't be done. But I will stand by my principles regardless

 

[Anti Federalist]

Furthermore, morals can't be legislated, but it's morals which will determine where this country is headed, and so far it ain't good because of folks like you and @Anti Federalist, and the like. All I can do is try to get folks to see and understand, but again it's ultimately on them, not me.

 

[nikcers]

"Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist."

-John Adams

 

[PAF]

...

If people coming here was such a big deal, Ron Paul, mises.org, fff.org would be discussing that, which they don't. In fact, all 3 of the mentioned have been warning about what I have talking about. The root cause is well known, but few folks are even talking about it anymore in favor of bigger, more intrusive government and even more government goons.

 

[PAF]

You have compromised your principles however. You're choosing to ignore the private property rights so that you can feel better about people trespassing.

Nobody came on to my private property. If they did, I would ask what the purpose of the visit is, and then determine what to say or do without the help of @Anti Federalist or government goons.

And that's fine, I'm not even judging you for it. We're all hypocrites and compromisers but at least I can be honest about it.

I'll admit it if/when I am.

It can be done, we just lack the collective willpower to do it. And in that regard you're right, it can't be done. But I will stand by my principles regardless

I don't want the willpower to help the Technocratic Rollout. I'm diversified and don't need/want their shares.

 

[TheTexan]

Nobody came on to my private property. If they did, I would ask what the purpose of the visit is, and then determine what to say or do without the help of @Anti Federalist or government goons.

Nobody came on to your private property, but you seem to be fine with people coming onto other people's private property without any permission at all. (also known as "trespassing").

 

[PAF]

Nobody came on to your private property, but you seem to be fine with people coming onto other people's private property without any permission at all. (also known as "trespassing").

So they have invaded past your front gate and/or door? Don't you have a door bell, and/or a gun?

 

[TheTexan]

So they have invaded past your front gate and/or door? Don't you have a door bell, and/or a gun?

My rights to this land extends beyond what the meager fee simple entitlements I have been allowed to possess.

My family have paid into this land for generations and I am entitled to some portion of it.

You can choose to recognize my rightful ownership or not, it's not even relevant to the point I am trying to make.

The point I am trying to make, is that this land is owned. Every square inch of mainland America has been developed and maintained and is owned.

Just because the ruling class is currently in adverse possession and control of this land does not make private property rights just simply disappear.

Trespassing is still trespassing.

 

[PAF]

@TheTexan [and @Anti Federalist ]

Just like Peter Theil and company who are attempting to redefine libertarianism, it seems you are attempting to redefine Private Property Rights, in that you believe that my and others property is community property and that you and others as a community have a right to dictate where individuals are allowed to go or not. Now that I think about it, you don't seem to speak out against Stakeholder Capitalism either, or the Technocratic Police State.

And the fact that you admit that you are a hypocrite...... 'nough said, I know not to take any queues from you.

 

[TheTexan]

@TheTexan [and @Anti Federalist ]

Just like Peter Theil and company who are attempting to redefine libertarianism, it seems you are attempting to redefine Private Property Rights, in that you believe that my and others property is community property and that you and others as a community have a right to dictate where individuals are allowed to go. Now that I think about it, you don't seem to speak out against Stakeholder Capitalism either, or the Technocratic Police State.

And the fact that you admit that you are a hypocrite...... 'nough said, I know not to take any queues from you.

That's your defense to everything, oh you're redefining stuff.

Well you know, you're redefining the meaning of "redefining".

You didn't even provide a counter argument

And I have never claimed any rights, ownership, or control over the property that you have identified as yours... not even one time. (I have in fact, on many occasions, explicitly done the opposite by recognizing your sovereignty and secession)

 

[nikcers]

@TheTexan [and @Anti Federalist ]

Just like Peter Theil and company who are attempting to redefine libertarianism, it seems you are attempting to redefine Private Property Rights, in that you believe that my and others property is community property and that you and others as a community have a right to dictate where individuals are allowed to go. Now that I think about it, you don't seem to speak out against Stakeholder Capitalism either, or the Technocratic Police State.

And the fact that you admit that you are a hypocrite...... 'nough said, I know not to take any queues from you.

All US territory is subject to the law.

The law doesn't stop being the "law of the land" just because you have a piece of paper that says you own the property.

TheTexan knows that the constitution is "we the people" and its the "law of the land".

 

[PAF]

That's your defense to everything, oh you're redefining stuff.

I'm a full-blown libertarian capitalist anarchist, what did you expect?

Well you know, you're redefining the meaning of "redefining".

You didn't even provide a counter argument

I have many times, but you, like many just don't like the answers that I give. There's a search tool up above.

And I have never claimed any rights, ownership, or control over the property that you have identified as yours... not even one time. (I have in fact, on many occasions, explicitly done the opposite by recognizing your sovereignty and secession)

That's you being the hypocrite of which you admitted. You say that you respect my sovereignty, but not the sovereignty of other people, including those who want to come here to work, own a home, raise a family and try to avoid paying taxes to your overlord. Those people I respect even more than most on this board.

 

[TheTexan]

I have many times, but you, like many just don't like the answers that I give. There's a search tool up above.



That's you being the hypocrite of which you admitted. You say that you respect my sovereignty, but not the sovereignty of other people, including those who want to come here to work and try to avoid paying taxes to your overlord. Those people I respect even more than most on this board.

That is such a horseshit strawman of my position @PAF.

Sovereignty doesn't mean you can just wander onto other people's private property without permission and just do what you want.

Every square inch of this country is private property, yes @PAF ? I hope we can agree on that, because if any of this is "public property" then we can go into a completely separate discussion about how there's no such thing as "public property".

If you accept that every square inch of this country is private property, that includes the roads, the government buildings, all of it, then how is entering onto private property without permission not trespassing?

 

[TheTexan]

TheTexan knows that the constitution is "we the people" and its the "law of the land".

Yea don't go there bot, not even close.

It hasn't been "we the people" since Lincoln started a war that denied the sovereignty of the South

 

[PAF]

That is such a horseshit strawman of my position @PAF.

No it's not.

Sovereignty doesn't mean you can just wander onto other people's private property without permission and just do what you want.

That dude that was taken from his wife and 3 kids and his home after living here for 22 years while working a good job paid his local and state taxes the same as everybody else. He wasn't bothering anybody, he didn't trespass, nor did he rob a bank or murder anybody. He was picked up randomly. After contributing to the community via work and local/state taxes he was forced to leave his home that he paid for [his private property] because of attitudes like yours. You don't respect his sovereignty.

Every square inch of this country is private property, yes @PAF ? I hope we can agree on that, because if any of this is "public property" then we can go into a completely separate discussion about how there's no such thing as "public property".

I completely disagree. Otherwise, because I "paid taxes" and now own the land/property, I should be able to do whatever I want if it's not in use without paying for permits, obtain permission from some authority or even bring my gun into those areas/buildings. As far as the government [as in state] is concerned, the politicians/state own it - not you. Furthermore, there is so much unused land in this country that 50 times the current population wouldn't make a dent in filling it up.

If you accept that every square inch of this country is private property, that includes the roads, the government buildings, all of it, then how is entering onto private property without permission not trespassing?

Public use is different than Private Property and you know it. Otherwise, where's your deed. The next thing you know is once this precedent is set - maybe once the dems get in [or the next republican administration], you will own nothing and be happy about it and will be living in small cell structures owned by the technocrats. Where's your head, man?