"Illegals"; The New Prohibition/War on Drugs

[PAF]

What used to be "undocumented" has now been recently morphed into the legal term "illegal". Translating to, if something is illegal, it must be bad and therefore made legal, else suffer consequences.

Undocumented people are not registered with the government, therefore they are not able to simply walk into the downtown government office and ask the lady behind the desk for monthly benefits, for she would simply say: "I am sorry, without proper ID I cannot locate you, please come back with valid ID."

We were halfway there. But not anymore. Now people are hollering and screaming for people to become "legal", else call them invaders and criminals. When we were halfway there, property rights, contract rights, free to associate and freely travel were almost, though not quite, the norm.

Undocumented people cannot legally collect benefits. For those who use stolen/counterfeit documents, there are already laws in place to deal with that. But instead of closing whatever loopholes did exist, and holding government employees and bureaucrats accountable if/when they do provide benefits to those who do not qualify, the new fad is to rename the undocumented person as an "illegal", convert them to "legal", and therefore comply with a system that provides full legal benefits, mandated minimum wage and tax revenue to fund the Fed.gov.

Whether documented or undocumented, we have a Bill of Rights, a list of Natural Rights that do not apply only to Americans. If any person, documented or undocumented, commits a crime, there are laws to deal with that which involve having a court date and facing the accuser. As it stands now, the en vogue thing to do is to blanket-statement everybody who is not "legal", a criminal.

A crime is when harm has been done to person or property. Toking a joint, j-walking, agreeing to a wage or bartering behind the governments back are not crimes against person or property. But because the recent trend is to consider undocumented people as "illegals", people are all too happy to count them as criminals, inflating numbers that should be declining.

Folks, it is not immigrants who "hate us for our freedoms"; it is blow-back, and Americans who buy into the government propaganda that only wishes to grow itself. The end-goal is to have every man, woman and child "documented", and with todays technology we all know that Biometric ID is here to stay. You will be tracked, located, can no longer live off of the grid, no matter where you go throughout this country or the world. But instead of focusing and promoting the ideals of "liberty" and "individualism", many are succumbing to the manufactured rhetoric which only assists TPTB in their goal.

It is another 911/TSA, all over again.

 

[Superfluous Man]

Also in discussing this issue immigration restrictionists typically recognize no distinction between the terms "illegal" and "unlawful," even though when used as technical legal terms they are not synonyms, and the difference between them is quite significant when it comes to unlawful presence in the USA.

Restrictionists like to say, "It's illegal for them just to be here." But they can never find the law that says that.

 

[euphemia]

Restrictionists like to say, "It's illegal for them just to be here." But they can never find the law that says that.

Then why are liberals so eager to make laws opening the borders and setting aside millions of dollars to help them once they get here. Why are there Sanctuary Cities?

 

[tod evans]

Fuck the furrigners!

It's the damn Yankees causing problems in the Ozarks.

Coming here with their big city attitudes and ideas on how to make the mountains more like the concrete jungle they ran away from...

Ya'll need to keep your problems on the coasts and Nawth of the Mason-Dixon.

 

[Superfluous Man]

Then why are liberals so eager to make laws opening the borders and setting aside millions of dollars to help them once they get here. Why are there Sanctuary Cities?

I don't understand how your question relates to what I said.

I'm not saying that we don't have laws that authorize the feds to punish people who broke immigration laws.

 

[PAF]

Then why are liberals so eager to make laws opening the borders and setting aside millions of dollars to help them once they get here. Why are there Sanctuary Cities?

It is not just "liberals". As stated in the OP, it is government itself that wants every man, woman and child "documented", so that they then will be eligible to vote, obtain monthly benefits, pay Federal taxes in order to grow government.

The only solution is to leave people "undocumented", and close whatever loopholes exist that may enable them to vote and/or collect benefits.

As it stands, what Americans are doing by requiring "documentation", is directly enabling what we are trying to prevent.

Try going to a different country without documentation. See if you are able to collect anything, or vote, without being registered with their government and without ID.

It is not the open border that is the problem, or that they are undocumented. When people come here, they spend money on tourism, groceries, travel, rent, pay local/state taxes with every purchase, all without being "documented". The problem is, once again, the American people falling for the government rhetoric that people must be documented, thus granting them entitlements, otherwise they are deemed "illegal invaders".

 

[Anti Federalist]

and Americans who buy into the government propaganda

What government propaganda?

Every government media organ is universally in favor of unrestricted migrant invasion.

Every presidential candidate over the last two debates is in favor unrestricted migrant invasion, in addition to migrant invaders being given health care and other benefits paid for with tax dollars extorted from me.

The federal judiciary rules in favor of the migrant invaders consistently.

The federal bureaucracies are in favor of migrant invasion.

Every day more and more state and local governments give aid and comfort and safe haven to the migrant invaders.

So what government propaganda are you talking about?

 

[Anti Federalist]

It is not just "liberals". As stated in the OP, it is government itself that wants every man, woman and child "documented", so that they then will be eligible to vote, obtain monthly benefits, pay Federal taxes in order to grow government.

The only solution is to leave people "undocumented", and close whatever loopholes exist that may enable them to vote and/or collect benefits.

As it stands, what Americans are doing by requiring "documentation", is directly enabling what we are trying to prevent.

Try going to a different country without documentation. See if you are able to collect anything, or vote, without being registered with their government and without ID.

It is not the open border that is the problem, or that they are undocumented. When people come here, they spend money on tourism, groceries, travel, rent, pay local/state taxes with every purchase, all without being "documented". The problem is, once again, the American people falling for the government rhetoric that people must be documented, thus granting them entitlements, otherwise they are deemed "illegal invaders".

Of course that isn't the only solution.

And I don't care about "documentation".

 

[Anti Federalist]

Folks, it is not immigrants who "hate us for our freedoms"; it is blow-back, and Americans who buy into the government propaganda that only wishes to grow itself. The end-goal is to have every man, woman and child "documented", and with todays technology we all know that Biometric ID is here to stay. You will be tracked, located, can no longer live off of the grid, no matter where you go throughout this country or the world. But instead of focusing and promoting the ideals of "liberty" and "individualism", many are succumbing to the manufactured rhetoric which only assists TPTB in their goal.

It is another 911/TSA, all over again.

You are quite right about this, and as I stated in another thread, had there been strict migrant invader control, at the border, 9/11 would never had happened.

When you decide, in the name of diversity or poisonous "Christian" charity, that you are going to cram millions and millions of dissimilar people, many of whom loathe the sight of each other, into one geographical area, you will need a heavy handed police state to keep a lid on everything.

So, the obvious solution is to not allow the entire third world to invade.

Stop them at the border, using Constitutionally permitted militia, organized and unorganized, to force the invaders to fuck off back to wherever they came from, thus allowing native citizens to enjoy "the blessings of liberty, for themselves and their posterity".

That would include the right to live an undocumented life, off the grid.

 

[PAF]

 

[Superfluous Man]

Of course that isn't the only solution.

And I don't care about "documentation".

The entire issue comes down to documentation. If you do not support laws requiring that everybody in the USA be able to produce documents proving that they are here with the express permission of the federal government, then you are for all intents and purposes for unrestricted immigration. Once the burden of proof is taken off of all of us to prove we are allowed to be here and placed instead on the regime to prove that those they suspect are not allowed to be here in fact are not, then absolutely anybody can claim they were born here and it will be practically impossible for the regime to prove they were not.

 

[ATruepatriot]

You are quite right about this, and as I stated in another thread, had there been strict migrant invader control, at the border, 9/11 would never had happened.

When you decide, in the name of diversity or poisonous "Christian" charity, that you are going to cram millions and millions of dissimilar people, many of whom loathe the sight of each other, into one geographical area, you will need a heavy handed police state to keep a lid on everything.

So, the obvious solution is to not allow the entire third world to invade.

Stop them at the border, using Constitutionally permitted militia, organized and unorganized, to force the invaders to $#@! off back to wherever they came from, thus allowing native citizens to enjoy "the blessings of liberty, for themselves and their posterity".

That would include the right to live an undocumented life, off the grid.

It's Cloward Piven man... Cloward Piven. And these fools have been brainwashed into believing it is a better way to go. We are devolving back to Neandertal vs **** Sapien IQ. The laws would not be in place at all if Neandertal had not mass abused natural law in the first place. Where the hell is the self responsibility in all this???

 

[dannno]

What used to be "undocumented" has now been recently morphed into the legal term "illegal".

LOL, did you come from another planet?

It's hard to take anything you say seriously after making a statement like that.

 

[Ender]

You are quite right about this, and as I stated in another thread, had there been strict migrant invader control, at the border, 9/11 would never had happened.

When you decide, in the name of diversity or poisonous "Christian" charity, that you are going to cram millions and millions of dissimilar people, many of whom loathe the sight of each other, into one geographical area, you will need a heavy handed police state to keep a lid on everything.

So, the obvious solution is to not allow the entire third world to invade.

Stop them at the border, using Constitutionally permitted militia, organized and unorganized, to force the invaders to $#@! off back to wherever they came from, thus allowing native citizens to enjoy "the blessings of liberty, for themselves and their posterity".

That would include the right to live an undocumented life, off the grid.

Dude- you really believe the official 9/11 carp?

 

[devil21]

Excellent thread PAF. I already knew that you "get it", you "get" what this is all really about, what "legal" vs "illegal" really means, but it's nice to see a thread on it. Legal vs illegal really means who is a subject and who isn't.

I'd like to see the new term for "illegals" changed to....................wait for it.................................."sovereign immigrants" and then watch all of the pundits, partisans and politicians heads explode simultaneously. That is the alternative label that is much closer to the truth and without the intentionally negative connotation associated with "illegal".

 

[dannno]

Dude- you really believe the official 9/11 carp?

9/11 carp

9/11 carp says that the inside job narrative still required hijackers to come into the country via our weak border security and through loopholes in the travel visa process.

 

[PAF]

Dude- you really believe the official 9/11 carp?

The FIRST most important step in restoring liberty is getting rid of the FedDeptEd. Then we can see about how to get Liberty Classroom and the like into the hands of those not 1,001% brainwashed.

 

[PAF]

Excellent thread PAF. I already knew that you "get it", you "get" what this is all really about, what "legal" vs "illegal" really means, but it's nice to see a thread on it. Legal vs illegal really means who is a subject and who isn't.

I'd like to see the new term for "illegals" changed to....................wait for it.................................."sovereign immigrants" and then watch all of the pundits, partisans and politicians heads explode simultaneously. That is the alternative label that is much closer to the truth and without the intentionally negative connotation associated with "illegal".

You made a post a long time ago that I will never forget. It summed everything up perfectly and eloquently, regarding documented/undocumented, that should, IMO, be part of the site mission, as well as shared everywhere here and abroad. I briefly searched for it but unable to find it. Perhaps you can share it, or I will look again time permitting.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Dude- you really believe the official 9/11 carp?

No.

I believe, and always have believed, that actors within the fedgov knew exactly what was going to happen that day and deliberately and willfully with malice aforethought, stood down, stood by and facilitated their actions.

Regardless however, if there were stricter immigration controls in place, it would not have happened.

 

[PAF]

No.

I believe, and always have believed, that actors within the fedgov knew exactly what was going to happen that day and deliberately and willfully with malice aforethought, stood down, stood by and facilitated their actions.

Regardless however, if there were stricter immigration controls in place, it would not have happened.

Partly true, partly false. Common Core is without question Satans Bible.