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Fraud is fraud. And theft is theft. It doesn't matter who is doing it.
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Fraud is fraud. And theft is theft. It doesn't matter who is doing it.
What, specifically in Title 8, are you claiming I reject relative to this subject?
AuH20, I suspect your byline is somehow connected to the above post. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but we do not have an "illegal" population. It simply does not exist.
Actually, when people come to work jobs that are willingly offered, the correct term would be invitee. If you're looking for a legal term, the correct term would be undocumented foreigner. The most accurate term is Guest Worker.
If you're a narrow minded National Socialist hiding out in Ron Paul country, you probably want to use a legally incorrect term that is not only a pejorative term, but one that sets a bad precedent for the rest of America. I think the following will address you quite nicely:
http://www.freeforum101.com/outcastsandoutl/viewforum.php?f=16&mforum=outcastsandoutl
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Guests. And guests can be revoked by the landlord at any time.
The problem is, you cannot make that decision unilaterally. See the link in post #25.
It is highly unfortunate that Ron Paul supporters have to read stuff that attacks the fundamental principles of Liberty. I think a lot of people can breathe a sigh of relief that extremist xenophobes cannot decide what the rest of America wants or does not want. BTW, it don't even have to be a majority since this is a Republic that stands firm on the principles of Liberty.
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Some 40% of "undocumented immigrants" actually entered the country on legitimate means (students, work visas, tourists, etc). The better the US is, the more people will want to come here- under whatever circumstances. When the recession hit, a net 2 million left the country over the next two years. As jobs return, so could those coming here. Now if we were to run the country into the ground then I suppose nobody would want to come here (aside from the gangsters and mobsters).
We have, within the movement to restore Liberty, a number of socialists that prey upon the immigration issue in order to further the aims of socialism and most notably National Socialism. Again, you can never claim to understand all sides of the issue until you access that thread I'm making much ado over:
http://www.freeforum101.com/outcastsandoutl/viewtopic.php?t=531&mforum=outcastsandoutl
Right now we are getting into a game of semantics. It is not illegal to enter the United States without papers. It is not illegal to be here without papers. The term "illegal immigration" presumes there is a crime involved. If someone comes into the United States and over-stays a visa, they are not an illegal immigrant since they did not break the law in order to come here.
The entire problem with this is fully stated in the link given. The only thing we could accomplish by debating such a point is to invite that debate (in the link) onto this thread and no new information would be forthcoming. The ultimate issue I have with the erroneous "illegal alien" crap is the fact that it's used as a pretext to selling out Liberties and making really bad legal precedents for any American the government doesn't like.
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Eliminate the IRS and this won't be a problem.
Replace it with nothing.
No sales Tax.
NOTHING.
Replace it with nothing.
No sales Tax.
NOTHING.
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True. Illegals are not elgible for Social Security and if they are using a fake SS number they are sending in money.
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What confuses me, is I was watching a show yesterday and this guy got a $4,500. refund from the IRS; but he only made around $3,000 the entire year. So actually, is it possible to get back more than you paid in? If so, that is probably what they are doing; and once they have that check in hand ............. good luck finding them !!!
According to the Chief Actuary of the Socialist Security Administration, undocumented workers pay $12 BILLION DOLLARS per year into Socialist Security and cannot, by law, take out one thin dime in retirement.
The people who are uneducated enough to use the "illegal alien" language don't understand the issue and probably don't want to, but most of the foreigners get a Taxpayer Identification Number and pay the taxes. In all fairness, they ought to be able to take advantage of the provisions of the Tax Code if they participate in it.
Upward of 45 percent of the people that enter the United States overstay their visa. They have a number to participate in the system with. Then you have those who make up the overwhelming majority of people here without papers that entered without a visa. They too obtain Taxpayer Identification Numbers and pay into the system. What is not being said in this discussion is the fact that all this wailing and moaning only accomplishes two things:
It promotes class warfare and
It tries to give some validity to the income tax that is based upon the Communist Manifesto
I left a link in post # 29 for those with the courage enough to want to see both sides. If you listen to the National Socialists in our midst, they want to imply that foreigners use either stolen SSNs or no SSN at all and do not pay into the system. The National Socialists among us talk about cost, cost, cost; however, they will not be honest with you and say the dirty word: CONTRIBUTION. Yes, the foreigners contribute toward the system and, at the end of the day (by virtually every study - government and private) it's pretty much a wash. They pay about much into taxes as they cost in services.
The real reason that the foreigner is here without much opposition from government is that they create jobs, stimulate growth and help boost the economy.
Half of Americans don't pay the tax so all the income tax does is to redistribute wealth. Yep, they could simply abolish it and IRS employees would have to go out and find a real job. The National Socialists could not bitch about "illegal aliens" and a lot of people would have to find something else to complain about. Your idea makes too much sense.
What do you want to find them for?
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http://definitions.uslegal.com/i/illegal-alien/
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1252c
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1330
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1356
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1365
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1366
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1621
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/6705
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/49/40125
You have a lot of cites to a civil section of the United States Code. SOME of them even mention that money is available to pursue people who may be deemed to in this country "illegally."
The problem is, you are dealing with a civil section of the law. Civil statutes cannot impose a criminal penalty. What they can do is to say IF a criminal statute is imposed, the civil laws may be pursued aw well.
Now, let's take all of this and reduce it to the REAL ISSUE. The law that would have made it a crime to enter the United States or be in the United States without papers FAILED to be enacted.
I keep reading the code sections you cite and none of it has squat to do with so - called "illegal presence." For one example, one section you cite goes into how the government gets and spends money on foreigners that are being DETAINED. The government DETAINS people all the time. Civil law, however, cannot impose criminal penalties. It can anticipate them and even warn you that civil penalties are in addition to any criminal penalties. Entry without papers is an improper / civil action, not a crime. Civil actions are not crimes. For instance a man gets a divorce. He becomes a defendant much like the accused in a crime becomes a defendant. But, it's not a crime ot have irreconcilable differences with a woman, but it stills lands you in court over a civil action. Same deal with improper entry. By the way sport, you danced all around it: 8 USC 1325.
You should stay away from trying to use Google as a legal research tool when debating someone that has worked in that field of law.
The problem is, you are dealing with a civil section of the law. Civil statutes cannot impose a criminal penalty. What they can do is to say IF a criminal statute is imposed, the civil laws may be pursued aw well.
Now, let's take all of this and reduce it to the REAL ISSUE. The law that would have made it a crime to enter the United States or be in the United States without papers FAILED to be enacted.
I keep reading the code sections you cite and none of it has squat to do with so - called "illegal presence." For one example, one section you cite goes into how the government gets and spends money on foreigners that are being DETAINED. The government DETAINS people all the time. Civil law, however, cannot impose criminal penalties. It can anticipate them and even warn you that civil penalties are in addition to any criminal penalties. Entry without papers is an improper / civil action, not a crime. Civil actions are not crimes. For instance a man gets a divorce. He becomes a defendant much like the accused in a crime becomes a defendant. But, it's not a crime ot have irreconcilable differences with a woman, but it stills lands you in court over a civil action. Same deal with improper entry. By the way sport, you danced all around it: 8 USC 1325.
You should stay away from trying to use Google as a legal research tool when debating someone that has worked in that field of law.
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