Illegal Aliens murder some more Americans

[Krugerrand]

I grew up from age 6 - 14 only a few miles from the biggest illegal worker encampment in Southern California. Thousands of illegal aliens all living in an encampment, with their own restaurant and soccer field, tucked away in the hills behind the flower fields..

Never had any problems. None of the kids at my school were raped. Can't think of a single incident or stolen item that could have been definitively attributed to an illegal alien. Someone tried to break into our house when I was 10, I scared them away. The intruder was white.

So I think the scare mongers are full of it. I don't think we should be giving government benefits to illegals, but I don't think scaring people into thinking illegal aliens are inherently bad people is the way to go either, because in my experience they'd be wrong.

The dangerous crowd appears to be those involved with illegal drugs - not those looking to earn cash. Stop the drug war ... stop the violence.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Your thread implies that illegal immigrants are murdering thugs.

That's your take. Not mine. Some illegal aliens ARE murdering thugs.

There are bad apples in every crowd.

True. But, it is a crowd, complete with apples, that we do not need to have here.

Illegal immigrants are not known for being more prone to murder people.

I didn't say they were.

You don't make threads titled Americans murder some more Americans today.

Apparently, I do. EDIT: Illegal aliens are NOT Americans, Josh. If and when they become so, I'll drop "illegal aliens" from the description.

You've singled them out for reasons that they are not known to cause problems for.

They did in this case, Josh.

It's like implying that Constitutional Ron Paul supporters are likely to be domestic terrorists.

Sorry, I don't see it.

 

[JoshLowry]

I'll make some analogies for you later. Running out door.

I'm not calling them Americans. I am saying that they don't murder any more than your average American. Hence my point that you don't make a thread every time an American murders someone.

 

[rpfan2008]

Obama may recruit many of his future Civilian Defence Force foot soldiers from the illegals. Because one of his options for economic recovery includes making a civil defence force, and it has already been made clear that illegals should expect more from govt. spending schemes.

This may happen if a truly Alex Jones style police state comes to America, I hope you know how the British empire succeeded in becoming the vast empire it became. Pitching one ethnic group against another.

 

[Zippyjuan]

While I do not support giving things like medicare benefits or school tuition and the like to illegal aliens, trying to protray them all as criminals and rapists and scaring people is not a valid picture of illegal aliens. They commit FEWER crimes per capita than residents do. We would actually be better off in that case of getting rid of all the legal citizens since they commit more crimes.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

While I love the Mexican people, I don't like them when they come here illegally.
Let them get the permission they are required to get and then they can come here and work like anyone else. If they don't have the permission, then they should be kept out of our country till they do.

I don't understand why so many people yell about national sovereignty and then cry that we should allow anybody and everybody to just go over the border willy-nilly. There are borders for a reason, if there were no borders then there would be no countries and if there were no countries, then what sovereignty would we have?

Individual sovereignty.

 

[acptulsa]

Running out door.

Well thank heavens! I was afraid I'd have to ban one of you two.

 

[strapko]

I would like to see a thread now for every murder illegal or not, gay or not... just to be fair.

 

[dgr]

Dept of Homeland swcurity, in 2002 began keeping a list of American Citizens killed by illegal alliens Last year that number was over 3,000.
Add 12 million to the welfare rolls, universal health care, social security, they will not be able to tax you enough to pay for it

CALL CONGRESS TODAY NO AMNESTY, NO BAILOUTS NO CAP AND TRADE !!!!!!

 

[Conservative Christian]

They commit FEWER crimes per capita than residents do.

^ BULLSHIT!

Your bogus statistics from the New World Order-controlled Public Policy Institute of California are a joke.

The PPIC is a leftist New World Order think tank, that was established with a $70 million dollar endowment from none other than Bill Hewlett, of Hewlett-Packard fame.

Hewlett was your typical corporate socialist who wanted to exploit the illegals for financial gain, knowing they're willing to work for very little pay and virtually no benefits. The same reason Gates, Bush, McCain etc. all pushed hard to pass an amnesty bill.

 

[Conservative Christian]

http://scienceblogs.com/goodmath/2007/01/sex_crimes_and_illegal_immigra_1.php

It is a good thing that US citizens don't commit crimes. This would be a true Eden if we could just get rid of all those pesky aliens. I say send 'em back to Mars![/url]

Oh, Zippy read it at "scienceblogs.com"! Gee, since it has "science" in the title, everything at that site MUST be true!

ROTFLMAO!

 

[tpreitzel]

Oh, Zippy read it at "scienceblogs.com"! Gee, since it has "science" in the title, everything at that site MUST be true!

ROTFLMAO!

Personally, I've seen so many examples of dubious references from JippyJuan that I don't even lend any credence to his remarks. These forums are filled with these dubious references like the one from Jippy implying the US has never experienced a hyperinflation... This reply may sound a bit harsh, but it's simply verifiable fact with a bit of searching...

 

[Conservative Christian]

"At the federal level, the number of criminal aliens incarcerated increased from about 42,000 at the end of calendar year 2001 to about 49,000 at the end of calendar year 2004--a 15 percent increase. The
percentage of all federal prisoners who are criminal aliens has remained the same over the last 3 years--about 27 percent. The majority of criminal aliens incarcerated at the end of calendar year 2004 were identified as citizens of Mexico.

We estimate the federal cost of incarcerating criminal aliens--BOP's cost to incarcerate criminals and reimbursements to state and local governments under SCAAP--totaled approximately $5.8 billion for calendar years 2001 through 2004. BOP's cost to incarcerate criminal aliens rose from about $950 million in 2001 to about $1.2 billion in 2004--a 14 percent increase. Federal reimbursements for incarcerating criminal aliens in state prisons and local jails declined from $550 million in 2001 to $280 million in 2004,
in a large part due to a reduction in congressional appropriations."

http://www.gao.gov/htext/d05337r.html

 

[apropos]

The percentage of all federal prisoners who are criminal aliens has remained the same over the last 3 years--about 27 percent. The majority of criminal aliens incarcerated at the end of calendar year 2004 were identified as citizens of Mexico.

BOP's cost to incarcerate criminal aliens rose from about $950 million in 2001 to about $1.2 billion in 2004--a 14 percent increase.

Good post. Those harmless, law-abiding illegals that constitute 27% of our federal prison population and consume $1.2B+ of tax dollars sure are a blessing to this country.

 

[Minarchy4Sale]

http://scienceblogs.com/goodmath/2007/01/sex_crimes_and_illegal_immigra_1.php


It is a good thing that US citizens don't commit crimes. This would be a true Eden if we could just get rid of all those pesky aliens. I say send 'em back to Mars!

http://www.californiaprogressreport.com/2008/02/immigrants_incl.html

who cares if US citizens commit crimes. The fact remains that by their very presence, illegal immigrants have chosen a life in open defiance of US law, and there very presence is criminal. By definition, all illegal immigrants are criminals, and it is a FACT that they commit violent crimes more often than their legal immigrant and citizen counterparts.

 

[TurtleBurger]

"At the federal level, the number of criminal aliens incarcerated increased from about 42,000 at the end of calendar year 2001 to about 49,000 at the end of calendar year 2004--a 15 percent increase. The
percentage of all federal prisoners who are criminal aliens has remained the same over the last 3 years--about 27 percent. The majority of criminal aliens incarcerated at the end of calendar year 2004 were identified as citizens of Mexico.

We estimate the federal cost of incarcerating criminal aliens--BOP's cost to incarcerate criminals and reimbursements to state and local governments under SCAAP--totaled approximately $5.8 billion for calendar years 2001 through 2004. BOP's cost to incarcerate criminal aliens rose from about $950 million in 2001 to about $1.2 billion in 2004--a 14 percent increase. Federal reimbursements for incarcerating criminal aliens in state prisons and local jails declined from $550 million in 2001 to $280 million in 2004,
in a large part due to a reduction in congressional appropriations."

http://www.gao.gov/htext/d05337r.html

I bet if we legalized marijuana that number would drop by 95%.

 

[Minarchy4Sale]

I grew up from age 6 - 14 only a few miles from the biggest illegal worker encampment in Southern California. Thousands of illegal aliens all living in an encampment, with their own restaurant and soccer field, tucked away in the hills behind the flower fields..

Never had any problems. None of the kids at my school were raped. Can't think of a single incident or stolen item that could have been definitively attributed to an illegal alien. Someone tried to break into our house when I was 10, I scared them away. The intruder was white.

So I think the scare mongers are full of it. I don't think we should be giving government benefits to illegals, but I don't think scaring people into thinking illegal aliens are inherently bad people is the way to go either, because in my experience they'd be wrong.

Perhaps you were too young to notice. I moved away from those flower fields just last year. I can tell you that the criminal impact of the illegal immigrant community on Southern California is HUGE. Sex slaves, drugs, random street violence, gang activity, the list goes on and on.

 

[Conservative Christian]

I bet if we legalized marijuana that number would drop by 95%.

You need a reality check.

The article is talking about FEDERAL prisoners who've committed FEDERAL crimes---FELONIES.

We're talking murder, armed robbery, rape, sex slave rings etc.

 

[Reason]

Not newsworthy imo.

Americans murdered Americans today too. No reason to shine a light on them and not others is my point.

They are people who deserve the same freedoms as everyone, it's not like they are a lesser species because they happened to be born in a different country.

agreed.

 

[Conservative Christian]

"Ignoring the "minor crime" such as ID theft and property crimes being committed by illegal aliens, here is a summary on some of the collateral damage reaped in crimes as a result of tolerating illegal aliens in the USA:

* In Los Angeles, 95% of some 1,500 outstanding warrants for homicides are for illegal aliens. About 67% of the 17,000 outstanding fugitive felony warrants are for illegal aliens.

* There are currently over 400,000 unaccounted for illegal alien criminals with outstanding deportation orders. At least one fourth of these are hard core criminals.

* 80,000 to 100,000 illegal aliens who have been convicted of serious crimes are walking the streets. Based on studies they will commit an average of 13 serious crimes per perpetrator.

* Illegal aliens are involved in criminal activities at a rate that is 2-5 times their representative proportion of the population.

* In 1980, our Federal and state facilities held fewer than 9,000 criminal aliens but at the end of 2003, approximately 267,000 illegal aliens were incarcerated in U.S. correctional facilities at a cost of about $6.8 billion per year.

* 56% of illegal aliens charged with a reentry offense had previously been convicted on at least 5 prior occasions.

* Illegal aliens commit between 700,000 to 1,289,000 or more crimes per year.

* Illegal aliens commit at least 2,158 murders each year – a number that represents three times greater participation than their proportion of the population.

* Illegal alien sexual predators commit an estimated 130,909 sexual crimes each year.

* There may be as many as 240,000 illegal alien sex offenders circulating throughout America. Based on studies, they will commit an average of 8 sex crimes per perpetrator before being caught.

* Nearly 63% of illegal alien sex offenders had been deported on another offense prior to committing the sex crime.

* Only 2% of the illegal alien sex offenders in one study had no history of criminal behavior, beyond crossing the border illegally.

* In Operation Predator, ICE arrested and deported 6,085 illegal alien pedophiles. Some studies suggest each pedophile molests average of 148 children. If so, that could be as many as 900,580 victims.

* Nobody knows how big the Sex Slave problem is but it is enormous.

* The very brutal MS-13 gang has over 15,000 members and associates in at least 115 different cliques in 33 states."

http://www.usillegalaliens.com/impacts_of_illegal_immigration_crime_summary.html