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The One

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This place was a breeding ground for unrealistic expectations. People were led to believe that Ron Paul could win this election, but anyone with an ounce of common sense should have known better. Then reality set in after Iowa, NH, and then with Super Tuesday. Even then, there were still people running around here spouting some goofy Ron-Paul-will-win-with-stealth-delegates nonsense. When those who were foolish enough to believe all the hype finally got slapped upside the head with reality, they gave up and left.

This was a fear of mine from the very first time I visited this forum. I was afraid the movement would lose steam when all these people had to come to grips with the reality that we are in for a long, hard fight. I tried several times to post on the subject and point out the reality that what is happening right now is only the infant stages of our fight. I wanted people to know that RP's run for the nomination was only an initial stepping stone to get us started down the path to making real change, but I was attacked and criticized from all sides by people saying I shouldn't be negative about RP winning this election.

If people had known up front that we didn't really expect to win the nomination and that the real goal was just to begin getting the message out and building a coalition, perhaps they wouldn't have felt so let down when the primary results started coming in. When you think of this campaign in terms of getting out our message and gathering an army, it has been a massive success. However, when it's thought of in terms of winning the nomination, it has been a massive failure. It's unfortunate that so many people defined success and framed victory as RP winning the presidency. If success had been accurately and realistically defined, we would all be celebrating our achievements right now, and this forum would still be buzzing with excitement.

Moving forward, imho, we should be trying to bring people back around and preparing them for the long fight. We need to have a snowball effect for many years in order to build a large enough coalition to really be able to bring about the change we desire.
 
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and, then came Diebold and the rest was history - over and over and over and over and over again
 
The fat lady is still warming up.

And no one knows what the future holds.
 
One valuable lesson has been the "reality" of the Establishment. With each passing day the truth is made even more evident. Which only gives us more fuel to keep the Revolution going.
 
.. . and this helps.. how?

Try reading the whole post...I made my suggestion.

I don't think we will keep people in this movement by continuing to tell them that RP can win. People aren't blind. We can continue to build on what we've started, though, by following the suggestion I gave above.
 
People were led to believe that this was going to be a day at the beach and if you believed that, I'm sorry you were mistaken. I knew it was probably going to be long and hard and tough. I hope Ron Paul addresses your point about keeping the base together in a future speech. If one person can rally the troops again, it's him.
 
After we are done licking our wounds - we will rise.....

This movement is not done....

I for one will dedicate my life to Liberty now....

There is no compromise...
 
We had very realistic outlooks on this race. It did not turn out like we had hoped but alot of good has come out of it.
 
You're late to the party bud. The whole idea from the very beginning was a long haul 12 step program...The first one being get Ron elected.
If that ultimately doesn't happen...then on to step #2. Look around...it's been happening since before Christmas...mature people like you and me understanding this is about the entire election process.
Some of us aren't disallusioned.

Proof below:

G Hemminger: After we are done licking our wounds - we will rise.....

This movement is not done....

I for one will dedicate my life to Liberty now....

There is no compromise...
 
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Success will happen whether in the short term or far into the future. But we have to fight the battle before us.

Plans are concurrently being laid for the long term but we must take every opportunity to win now!
 
I'm not sure how to explain what has happened to me over this process - at time I feel like I've been going crazy

I now understand what my mission is

I WILL AND FOEVER DECIDED TO LIVE LIE A FREE MAN FOREVER.......

I will gain control of the GOP and I will gain control of our government - and I have a feeling I will not be alone!!!
 
Success will happen whether in the short term or far into the future. But we have to fight the battle before us.

Plans are concurrently being laid for the long term but we must take every opportunity to win now!

I agree about fighting the battle before us, and I think we should define what constitutes a victory in that battle.
 
We've already won and we will continue to win.

Or didn't you get the memo? Ron Paul will be president.
 
I been around long enough in politics that I looked at it a lot different than some of the young people on here. When I heard RP was running I said to myself. "he won't get anywhere with a real small government platform but I am voting for him." When I saw the enthusiasm and support for RP I was amazed that there was that many people that really believed in the message. So for me it was "holy cow he did great and has started a movement." The young people that don't have a lot of political history to look back on, said, " holy Sh*t he didn't win!" A loss is only a loss if you don't learn from it.
 
I don't think you could have generated the type of interest from people without hoping that Ron Paul would win.

If Ron Paul does not win the nomination it is important to feel that sting of loss so that you understand the stakes. If you went in like the Libertarians, knowing you will lose, I don't think you will gain interested youthful followers.

Once you are sold on Ron Paul's message, who is your second choice? Everyone who is voting for Ron Paul is forever ruined for the poll driven candidates. You can't offer meaningless platitudes to people who expect reason and reasons. "What Change?" "Yes we can what?" etc...

So hoping for Ron Paul to win, to the bitter end is important. In the end, Ron Paul will be remembered for planting a seed of truth. I hope we look back fondly as we do at other American heroes who changed the course of history. I fear that we will look back with regret at what might have been had more of us stood together.
 
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