IL - Man who offered ride to girls in a snowstorm charged with disorderly conduct.

[specsaregood]

I'll look to the constitution to see if it allows for the particular law that I'm supposed to be enforcing. If it doesn't, then that law is null and void and I will not enforce it and will actively stop anyone I witness enforcing it. This is how someone who takes their oath seriously should act anyway.

I don't see you being employed for very long, unfortunately.

 

[AFPVet]

I'll look to the Constitution to see if it allows for the particular law that I'm supposed to be enforcing. If it doesn't, then that law is null and void and I will not enforce it and will actively stop anyone I witness enforcing it. This is how someone who takes their oath seriously should act anyway.

The Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land! ... it takes precedence over state laws when referencing specific rights and powers as enumerated. We are in a different world now my friend. You would've thought that things like the PATRIOT Act and the latest tyrannical and illegal legislation making protests illegal et al. would have been tossed out by The Court... nope. Not in Amerika.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

So, I take it that as someone who is currently employed in law enforcement, and will be soon pursuing a career as a police officer, I'm not welcome among my fellow lovers of liberty? Am I less deserving to join the ranks of those who wage war against the tyranny in this country?

I'll look to the constitution to see if it allows for the particular law that I'm supposed to be enforcing. If it doesn't, then that law is null and void and I will not enforce it and will actively stop anyone I witness enforcing it. This is how someone who takes their oath seriously should act anyway.

You might like Oathkeepers. Probably shouldn't join until some time after you are hired though.

 

[AFPVet]

You might like Oathkeepers. Probably shouldn't join until some time after you are hired though.

One of my friends is a retired detective from FL who got into a big can of worms because he was an Oath Keeper and tried to stop the corruption in his department. He was forced to retire.

 

[Professor8000]

I don't see you being employed for very long, unfortunately.

This is what I'm afraid of, but remaining faithful to both Constitutions should be my first and foremost concerns.

 

[Anti Federalist]

This is what I'm afraid of, but remaining faithful to both Constitutions should be my first and foremost concerns.

As specs has already stated, you won't be employed very long.

The first time you refuse to raid a home on a "no knock" raid, the first time you are told to "look the other way" in the face of open corruption, the first time you have to arrest somebody for no just reason, the first time you have to throw somebody in jail and ruin their life over a plant, that will be the make or break moment.

And you'll, if you're like most of us, shine it on, swallow your objections and follow policy, in order to keep drawing a paycheck and keep a roof over your head.

And every time that happens, it will get a little easier each time, a little easier to justify.

And in ten years, you'll be unable to distinguish yourself from what you used to hate.

Do yourself a favor, drive a cab, work an injection press, deliver pizza, continue in private security and save yourself the hassle.

 

[Voluntary Man]

The bad apples make the other 3% of cops look bad.

Alright. I like you, already.

I'll look to the constitution to see if it allows for the particular law that I'm supposed to be enforcing. If it doesn't, then that law is null and void and I will not enforce it and will actively stop anyone I witness enforcing it. This is how someone who takes their oath seriously should act anyway.

I admire your idealism. Just remember that the percentage of people who enter law enforcement with those ideals is exponentially higher than the minute percentage who are able to maintain them throughout their careers. Most are faced with assimilation or early retirement. If you are among the rare breed (we're talking Serpico "rare") who can live up to your ideals, you definitely have my encouragement and support. However, if you ever find yourself saying "I'm just doing my job," or looking the other way while your fellow officers break the very laws they hypocritically enforce on others, then get out and go public. If it's ever a choice between preserving your integrity or your career, get out and go public.

 

[Professor8000]

As specs has already stated, you won't be employed very long.

The first time you refuse to raid a home on a "no knock" raid, the first time you are told to "look the other way" in the face of open corruption, the first time you have to arrest somebody for no just reason, the first time you have to throw somebody in jail and ruin their life over a plant, that will be the make or break moment.

And you'll, if you're like most of us, shine it on, swallow your objections and follow policy, in order to keep drawing a paycheck and keep a roof over your head.

And every time that happens, it will get a little easier each time, a little easier to justify.

And in ten years, you'll be unable to distinguish yourself from what you used to hate.

Do yourself a favor, drive a cab, work an injection press, deliver pizza, continue in private security and save yourself the hassle.

I have no problem arresting cops, or my own boss if I have to. Even if it costs me my job. My financial security is an acceptable sacrifice so that I can be sure that my daughter's rights will be respected. Besides, I can always run for County Sheriff.

 

[The Free Hornet]

So, I take it that as someone who is currently employed in law enforcement, and will be soon pursuing a career as a police officer, I'm not welcome among my fellow lovers of liberty? Am I less deserving to join the ranks of those who wage war against the tyranny in this country?

Are you prepared to sabotage the drug war efforts and free its prisoners? You could be like Oskar Schindler. But you would be breaking the laws of this nation, just as Oskar broke those of his. I am neither encouraging nor enticing this behavior, I just don't see how else a "lover of liberty" could act as an agent of the police state.

PS! (edit): The question is rhetorical. I wouldn't answer it in your shoes.

 

[VegasPatriot]

One of my friends is a retired detective from FL who got into a big can of worms because he was an Oath Keeper and tried to stop the corruption in his department. He was forced to retire.

Maybe your friend would like to write an article about his/her experience and have it posted on OK's website. If interested let me know and I can make it happen.

 

[AFPVet]

Maybe your friend would like to write an article about his/her experience and have it posted on OK's website. If interested let me know and I can make it happen.

Oh... he's got a story alright lol.

 

[phill4paul]

I am currently employed as private security.

The bad apples make the other 3% of cops look bad.

I wish you the best of luck. I don't see things ending well for you, but, who knows? I suppose it will come down to how big your force is. I suppose your chance of success will come down to the time that you arrest your fellow 'brother.' From there on out you'll have to look at the chance that there might be a 97% chance that you may not get back up when you need it and leave your daughter fatherless. It's been known to happen.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

And that's why I edit what I post from that site.

I happen to agree, a cop or a mundane, if they pull over to sleep it off, then they've done the right thing, they are not driving and won't harm anyone.

But of course, out of, what, 100 stories of cop abuse, everybody picks up on the questionable one.

The only reason that story is listed, is to point out the hypocrisy.

Well, yes, but I would like to point out that nobody knows if the guy is a hypocrite because I'm personally not sure he has even questioned anyone for "sleeping it off."

 

[Anti Federalist]

Well, yes, but I would like to point out that nobody knows if the guy is a hypocrite because I'm personally not sure he has even questioned anyone for "sleeping it off."

Sweet weeping Jesus on the cross...

Edited.

It's gone.

 

[The Free Hornet]

Sweet weeping Jesus on the cross...

Edited.

It's gone.

You caved like a spelunker!

Given that you can get DUI's on private property and on bicycles, I am awaiting a DUI on a bicycle (or skateboard perhaps as it is just as "self-propelled" as a bicycle) on private property:

Two bicycle riders charged with DUI on same day
Arrested for dui while parked on private property?

The law is effing insane.

 

[AFPVet]

You caved like a spelunker!

Given that you can get DUI's on private property and on bicycles, I am awaiting a DUI on a bicycle (or skateboard perhaps as it is just as "self-propelled" as a bicycle) on private property:

Two bicycle riders charged with DUI on same day
Arrested for dui while parked on private property?

The law is effing insane.

It's because there is no such thing as "private property"

 

[Anti Federalist]

You caved like a spelunker!

LOL - Folded faster than a Chinese laundry.

 

[tod evans]

I have no problem arresting cops, or my own boss if I have to. Even if it costs me my job. My financial security is an acceptable sacrifice so that I can be sure that my daughter's rights will be respected. Besides, I can always run for County Sheriff.

If as you say your financial security is an acceptable loss for upholding the constitution then try a simple exercise;

For just one month record every minute you're on duty, even if it's only audio.

At the end of the month review the recordings with a liberty minded constitutional lawyer.

At the very least I'd bet your eyes would be opened, at best you'd have compiled more evidence of unconstitutional behavior.

Do ya' have the guts to go against the status-quo?

 

[kezt777]

I can understand the girls being a bit freaked out, because they are only 13 and have not grown up in a society where people can readily help each other like that. And then add to that all the stories about girls being snatched in the exact same manner... it''s got to be tough. However, I really don't understand that charge! I feel bad for the guy - his conscience could not let him just drive past the girls and ignore them, and that's pretty rare these days. But what kind of a charge is 'disorderly conduct'? If the charge goes through, what will it mean for him? Isn't that like saying 'hey dude, you tried to pick up some young girlies and you have been convicted for it'... and therefore suggesting that he had evil plans for them if they had accepted the ride?

I don't drive so my kids and I have been caught out in nasty weather quite a few times. I have been offered a ride maybe twice and I declined because I made the choice not to trust the person offering (oh tell a lie, we were caught in a bad hail storm once and an old man hid us in his garage and I accepted because I was literally half a block from my house and desperate to save the kids from big hurt - then he drove us home cos he asked where I lived and I pointed at my house and said 'right over there!' lol. but i admit I was nervous - too many movies!!)... anyway I declined other offers because that was my decision. But you should have seen the face of one guy. he had an empty car seat in the back so I know he was a dad, and he didnt feel right driving away and leaving us standing in a torrential rain storm. I could see that he was very torn about leaving and I felt bad for saying no, but I was also happy to see that there ARE people out there who care about strangers, other people's kiddos, and his conscience could not deal with leaving us there. That was nice.... but in this case, the guy approached some teens and it all went wrong. You can't even be nice to anyone anymore. That's sad. Yes there is a problem with child abductions and worse - but the vast majority of people are GOOD people, not bad people, and it's got to be hard being placed in the minority immediately all the time, just for trying to be a good samaritan!

I forgot to add -- so people are to call the police if they see someone that might need a ride. Im thinking that would not have worked very well if the kids were stuck out in a hail storm like I was once (had a baseball sized bruise on my back from one smacking me)... but I recall a time when I was 18 and walking home alone (drunk) at 230 am. A nice police officer pulled up and said 'what do you think you are doing?? get in and I will take you home!'. He was super nice and even honoured my request not to drive into my crescent. He dropped me off just around the corner and waited until he could see me go into my house. Today, that would not have been allowed Im sure. He prob would have had to walk me right to the door and speak to my parents. I didnt want my dad to get mad because when I was picked up for underage drinking (3 weeks before my 18th bday, darnit!), he told me if the cops ever came to his house again for me, he would pack my bags lol. So I did NOT want a police cruiser escorting me home and the officer laughed and complied. That was over 20 years ago - I cant imagine that happening today.

 

[asurfaholic]

Well, most people he would run into would have no idea he's even been charged or convicted of a crime if he keeps it to himself. Potential employers would see the charge, but not the circumstances surrounding it, which would give him an opportunity to explain it. Anyone else would probably see a "disorderly conduct" charge as proof that he is a fun person.

Still sucks though. He should hire the best lawyer he can afford...