IL-Girl rats out pair of 16 y/o having sex, cop threatens boy, who commits suicide

[The Rebel Poet]

Somebody should make one with that little boy who said; "I see dead people." and change it to "I see copsuckers."

 

[Dr.3D]

Perfect!!

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

Maybe the name of this place would be more fitting (of late) if it were Copsuckers Forum (but then they already have many)...

 

[heavenlyboy34]

OMG did I pass into the twilight zone??? For the first time in my many years here I gave out more neg rep than perhaps my entire time here (3). I can't believe how heartless and petty people here on this subject. Does anyone know that in the 60's child porn could be purchased in an adult book store? I'm certainly not saying that child porn is a good thing, it's certainly not in that it harms those who are photographed. If you look at the REAL definition of "pedophile" and compare that to the distorted definition we have today you will find that few who are labeled "pedophile" actually fit the real definition (hint - prepubescent). Age 16 is marrying age in my grandma's time and that wasn't so long ago folks. Amazing how full of hatred some of you are towards horny teenagers. It's like none of you were teenagers!!

I can guess which way some of you will come down on the future "virtual child porn". In that realm there will be no victims because no humans will be required. Ever hear of "no victim-no crime"? How will you justify jailing and killing your fellow human beings for what they do in their minds??

+rep WTF is with a lot of you people? 16 year olds attend hi-skools with and date 18-19 year olds all over Murica. In this case both kids were 16. It makes NO FUCKING SENSE to label the boy a pedo.

 

[Suzanimal]

The kid *is* a sex offender. He had sex with an underage girl, recorded it, and showed the recording to his friends. He's not the victim.

No, he is not. At worst, he was a dumb teenager who made a mistake and we don't even know if the girl was okay with him recording it. The article only says her friend was mad about it.

He was not mature enough to have sex. He continued to demonstrate his immaturity after that. If he thought he was adult enough to have sex, he was sure adult enough to bear the consequences of his own actions, including being interrogated by police without his parents present. He confessed to parents after the fact and did not include them in his decision to have sex and record it.

Few of us were.

Nobody mentions the poor girl whose mistake was broadcast all over the school.

According to your logic, she had it coming because she wasn't mature enough to pick a partner with some sense.

And I am sorry for the family's loss. I have parented a child through to adulthood, and while I have many regrets about my parenting mistakes, I do not have the audacity to think I am a victim of her mistakes, and she would also not consider herself to be a victim of her own mistakes. We bear the responsibility for our own mistakes, end of story.

I've made lots of mistakes and I own every one of them but threatening a kid with sex offender status over CONSENSUAL sex is too far. He recorded it and shared it - which was stupid but we don't know if the girl was okay with the recording or the sharing. Her friend wasn't but that's neither here nor there. Her friend wasn't the victim.

After the kid killed himself the cops claimed they were just trying to scare him. I don't believe them. You cool with that kid going to jail and being labeled a sex offender for the rest of his life over this? I'm not.

My nephew did something dumb last year and his life was almost ruined over it. Thank God, you weren't the judge.

I cannot believe people on a so-called libertarian forum are loathe to consider responsibility part of the equation.

I cannot believe someone on a so-called libertarian forum is cool with a teenagers civil liberties being violated.


BTW, folks this why you drill it into your kids head that the only thing they should say to a cop is call my mom (or dad). It's perfectly legal for them to question your kid without you or a lawyer and your kid should also understand the cops will lie to get them to confess.

 

[Danke]

She will soon be 18 and eligible to apply for my Home for WW.

 

[oyarde]

She will soon be 18 and eligible to apply for my Home for WW.

I bet she can do better while she has her youth , she might get interested at 50 or so ........

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Sure, SOP for the social workers, medical pros on the scene, etc.

the *mother* is the one who asked.

No, no she is not. You have been told by four people now that this is wrong, why don't you go back and re-read the original article?

 

[Jamesiv1]

You sir are no lover of liberty. Anyone who thinks Reb is a dipshit can get the hell out. Did I do that right?

Needs practice. A good first effort, though.

To sharpen your skills at being uber-clever, I recommend intensive study of my posts.

 

[Jamesiv1]

No, no she is not. You have been told by four people now that this is wrong, why don't you go back and re-read the original article?

Why don't you go back and re-read the whole thread?

No, it was the *mother* who was asked.
I thought that was covered in this post.

ahhh, you're right. My bad.

 

[Danke]

Needs practice. A good first effort, though.

To sharpen your skillz at being uber-clever, I recommend intensive study of my posts.

Predictable response.

 

[Jamesiv1]

it had nothing to do with him sharing a sex tape and everything to do with being labelled a sex offender for the rest of his life.. he could get raped in prison, he could have to go around to all his neighbors houses in the future and explain to them that he is a sex offender, that is all MUCH worse than an audio sex tape going around high school.

There is nothing in the article that suggests any of this is true, except pure speculation from the author.

We have no idea what motivated him to jump. Nowhere does the author actually quote the kid, and they talked to him a lot.

Maybe it was a Romeo and Juliet deal? Maybe in a couple days the girl takes a flying leap also because she has lost her true love? Maybe she didn't give a damn that he had a video and showed it to his buddies? Maybe the rat was a scorned lover seeking revenge? Maybe the kid was a gang-banging bad-ass and couldn't care less about going to prison and being labeled a sex-offender?

My point is that we have no idea, because the author provides no back-story and doesn't quote the kid at all - or the girl.

I'm not making excuses for anybody, I'm just saying the article is clearly written with an anti-cop bias. People who hate cops tend to post a lot of that.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Maybe you should go back and re-read the whole thread:

It's my fault you couldn't bother to read the original story?

 

[Jamesiv1]

With TheTexan it's pretty easy to tell, not so much with him.

That's part of the uber-cleverness!

You see, we who follow a gentle and quiet muse do not intend to call out those vile calumniators of cleverness (such as TheTexan) into the arena of honor. We know well that they shall be banished to the Centaurs and Lapiths by the decree of persons of quality and accomplishment who follow the arts and sciences.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I'm not making excuses for anybody, I'm just saying the article is clearly written with an anti-cop bias. People who hate cops tend to post a lot of that.

 

[dannno]

There is nothing in the article that suggests any of this is true, except pure speculation from the author.

We have no idea what motivated him to jump. Nowhere does the author actually quote the kid, and they talked to him a lot.

Maybe it was a Romeo and Juliet deal? Maybe in a couple days the girl takes a flying leap also because she has lost her true love? Maybe she didn't give a damn that he had a video and showed it to his buddies? Maybe the rat was a scorned lover seeking revenge? Maybe the kid was a gang-banging bad-ass and couldn't care less about going to prison and being labeled a sex-offender?

My point is that we have no idea, because the author provides no back-story and doesn't quote the kid at all - or the girl.

I'm not making excuses for anybody, I'm just saying the article is clearly written with an anti-cop bias. People who hate cops tend to post a lot of that.

Even the cop admitted that was why he did it.

But you are right. Maybe he killed himself because he forgot how to tie his shoes. I'm sure it had nothing to do with being threatened with having his life ruined.

 

[Valli6]

that law should be common knowledge to students by now

I find it incredible that anyone could view this is as nothing but a case of consensual sex between teenagers.

The article tells us nothing about the girl or the relationship between the two. Did any of you even notice that? It's as if she has no connection to the incident at all. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-naperville-north-suicide-20170522-story.html (and note that it states she is the one that told the dean, not some third party)

Did this girl consent to having herself filmed AND having that film spread all over, whereby (admit it!) she would most likely be labeled as a world class slut - not for one day, but for years afterward?

The Chicago Tribune story tells us the girl only learned about the video after it had already been shown around to their peers and was in fact “mortified” over it. Notice, we don’t see the girl talking to the press because she’s likely hiding. No one’s making her out to be a victim. (On 2nd thought, that's not quite true - obviously the school and the cop consider her a victim. Not the written articles, though.)

Yet, consider the normal teenage girl who consents to sex with someone she cares about, only to find out later that he’s stabbed her in the back - not just used her - but very publicly made her the butt of ongoing SLUT gossip that will follow her for years.

Do you imagine that those who saw the video are not looking down on her? So, he fooled her to impress his friends. Sure, it's nothing new, but likely this girl is suffering an emotional trauma that wil affect her for a long, long time, maybe forever.

Has it not occurred to you guys that this is precisely the kind of thing that drives a teenage girl to suicide?! And drives pregnant teens to have abortions?! She and her family can’t comment, blame, or sue anyone because teenage girls who have sex are still shamed and stigmatized.

There’s nothing to indicate the kid’s biggest fear was being labeled a sexual offender - this is his family’s lawyer’s angle. Maybe he was just too ashamed to discuss what he’d done in front of his mom. Nice that he had such a wonderful, “happy, healthy” life until the day he chose to end it all, though. (Anyone wonder what kind of life the unwitting girl lives? Does she have the same promising future he did?)

Sad for his family that he committed suicide, but yes, it was his own selfish, lack of empathy that caused his predicament. So, the p'liceman scared him? Well, boo and hoo.

Sadder for the girl and the millions like her, because so few are willing to acknowledge the damage that is inflicted on a teenage girl when a teenage boy cavalierly decides to make her a social pariah in order to impress other teenage boys.

 

[specsaregood]

Even the cop admitted that was why he did it.

But you are right. Maybe he killed himself because he forgot how to tie his shoes. I'm sure it had nothing to do with being threatened with having his life ruined.

Was there any recording of the interaction of the cop with the kid? If not, i'd wager what he said was a lot worse than just being on the sex pervert list.

 

[dannno]

she would most likely be labeled as a world class slut

That sounds like a good thing

 

[osan]

Oh my GOD... is the officer safe?