If you want to understand why some Christian Libertarians might not vote for Paul, read...

[Maestro232]

It is not your job to push your values upon others

Should we not try to convince others that Ron Paul would make a good president?

 

[nate895]

We could say that about a number of "licit" drugs too. That's still no reason to outlaw things.

Did you not read my other statements on the issue?

 

[steph3n]

Heroin doesn't make people happy. It destroys people's lives.

Drinking Drano ruin's peoples lives too, ban drano?

 

[nate895]

Should we not try to convince others that Ron Paul would make a good president?

I'd give you more rep, but I can't.

 

[QueenB4Liberty]

Should we not try to convince others that Ron Paul would make a good president?

Yeah, um, not even close to the same thing.

 

[nate895]

Drinking Drano ruin's peoples lives too, ban drano?

It's like talking to a wall.

 

[Maestro232]

As a Christian who highly respects Douglas Wilson, I really think he has a great point about Congressman Paul, and it's been a concern of mine for quite some time. Many times, Dr. Paul comes off as being neutral about his libertarian views, and he does not connect them with his spiritual beliefs. From a presuppositional point of view, that only makes his views arbitrary because they lack an objective grounding for them to be valid.

Don't get me wrong. I love Congressman Paul a lot. I believe he is a man of principle and integrity, and I'm sure he loves Jesus. He has the best platform, by far, than any other candidate in the race. All I'm saying is he needs to be a better philosopher and connect the dots between his spiritual beliefs and his political views. Once he does that, he will gain more of the "Huckabee-types" on his side. I guarantee it.

I'm glad a few of us note the dilemma. And, btw...glad to know there is another Doug Wilson fan out there!

 

[nate895]

Yeah, um, not even close to the same thing.

You value liberty. Why should I value liberty?

 

[nate895]

I'm glad a few of us note the dilemma. And, btw...glad to know there is another Doug Wilson fan out there!

Are you going to be on the conference call tonight?

 

[Maestro232]

Ok I don't think Ron Paul is necessarily fighting for Drug legalization as vehemently as this guys thinks. It's just a position that he has that pundits and interviewers like to ask him about as it seems provocative. So he ends up having to talk about it more than maybe he would bring it up on his own. His main issue has always been the FED and reducing the government.

Absolutely. I totally agree. That's why he hasn't turned me away. But the point is that he needs to spend some time directing his comments at the "religious right" and make himself clear to them.

 

[QueenB4Liberty]

You value liberty. Why should I value liberty?

Ron Paul is for liberty. Saying people can't do certain things (that harm no one except for maybe the individual, but again, the individual's choice is what matters) because you deem them inappropriate, is against liberty.

 

[steph3n]

It's like talking to a wall.

yep it is.

Because you still don't get it

There is nothing useful in having a ban on drugs or alcohol in personal environments. I have no issues with cities doing smoking bans in tax payer funded buildings for instance. I do however have an issue with them banning smoking city wide without owners of private establishments having any say.

 

[nate895]

Ron Paul is for liberty. Saying people can't do certain things because you deem them inappropriate, is against liberty.

Why should I value that? Why shouldn't I value power over other people's lives?

 

[nate895]

yep it is.

Because you still don't get it

You still don't get that I never said to ban drugs.

 

[Theocrat]

DW Fan, Indeed

I'm glad a few of us note the dilemma. And, btw...glad to know there is another Doug Wilson fan out there!

Douglas Wilson is a beast in debate and theology.

 

[Maestro232]

Are you going to be on the conference call tonight?

'fraid not. the country's goin' to pot, but I still got a wife and tot.

 

[QueenB4Liberty]

Why should I value that? Why shouldn't I value power over other people's lives?

If you value freedom and liberty, you value people have free will and the freedom to exercise it however they want as long as they don't hurt anyone else. And for the record, I'm a Catholic, but I'm not someone who thinks I can judge/be the master of others. Only God can do that.

 

[steph3n]

You still don't get that I never said to ban drugs.

No I get you said it at one time, but you have no concept of the reality of it and what it means.

 

[nate895]

'fraid not. the countries' goin' to pot, but I still got a wife and tot.

Thankfully God made single people and professionals for this kind of garbage.

 

[nate895]

No I get you said it at one time, but you have no concept of the reality of it and what it means.

So, not banning drugs implies acceptance? That is exactly the problem I have. If that is the type of attitude Ron Paul has, he ain't gonna win, and I can't do anything to change that.