If you want to insure Liberty reigns we have to reduce and control Immigration

[Sola_Fide]

No they have not, but if we do not reduce importation of welfare voters it will make it impossible.

But hey keep changing the subject or justifying inaction. With people like you who needs leftists?

Have the Scandinavian countries you keep citing that have strict immigration controls managed to end their welfare states?

 

[AmericanSpartan]

Illegal immigrants can't vote. Legal immigrants can only vote once they become citizens. All citizens have the right to vote (except for convicts).

In Arizona- that hotbed of immigrant issues- they investigated voter fraud. Between 2004 and 2014 they identified TWO cases of illegal immigrants voting. Two voters in ten years.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/articles/20131105arizona-immigrant-vote-fraud-rare.html

They will be welfare voters once they are given ciztenship via amnesty, How can you not understand this?

They also effect the number of house seats

http://cis.org/gang-of-eight-bill-shifts-house-seats

Thanks to counting immigrants California has more then 8 seats they other wise should not have, that is 8 seats that the leftist have that they use to vote against our interests.

But hey ignore that fact, its not like it effects us.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

Of course back in the "good old days" only rich (propertied) white males were even allowed to vote.

So you lie and play the "you want to put them back in chains" card.. Leftist interloper detected.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

Have the Scandinavian countries you keep citing that have strict immigration controls managed to end their welfare states?

No, some of them have mass immigration and it is ruining them, look at Sweden. I never did site any Scandinavian counties.

keep on lying!

 

[Dr. Dog]

Regarding the thread title, don't you mean "ensure"?

 

[Zippyjuan]

I am lying again. Means you can't dispute what I said. Thanks again for trying.

By the way, most white citizens and immigrants came from Europe. As likely I would guess were your ancestors. Aren't those even more of welfare states than the US is? Is your family a liberal welfare supporting family like all other immigrant families?

One line immigration test. "Are you willing to vote for liberals? Sorry, can't come. Are you willing to vote conservative even if it means big government? Welcome, Comrade!"

Blaming others for your problems doesn't solve them. Take responsibility. Don't like the welfare state, try to change it. Fighting immigrants does nothing to change it.

You have lots of time. At current projections, whites will still be at least 50% of the population for the next 30 years. http://mic.com/articles/106252/the-...ority-in-america-has-been-declared#.fz83Y7H5r Even then, you will still be in the largest group in the country.

2045. This is the year, the U.S. Census Bureau now projects, that whites will be in the minority.

According to information released Wednesday, the non-Hispanic, native-born white population "will become less than 50% before 2040," Brookings Institution demographer William Frey told Al Jazeera America. "Overall, there is white decline and minority gain for most of the projection period. [...] The majority-minority tipping point date is 2044," meaning that by 2045 the white population will become the racial minority.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

I am lying again. Means you can't dispute what I said. Thanks again for trying.

By the way, most white citizens and immigrants came from Europe. As likely I would guess were your ancestors. Aren't those even more of welfare states than the US is? Is your family a liberal welfare supporting family like all other immigrant families?

No, I have with all the data, charts and links I have posted.

No, we are not, if fact we do not support and are against bring in more supporters of welfare, you on the other hand clearly do.

One line immigration test. "Are you willing to vote for liberals? Sorry, can't come. Are you willing to vote conservative even if it means big government? Welcome, Comrade!"

Not just political views but assets/network, skill sets, criminal record, health screening.

I guess you are the kind of person that is ok with millions of leftist coming into America and voting for big goverment, higher taxes and stripping you have your rights?

Well I am not for that, immigration is totally within our sphere of control and selection, why not ensure we are not supplant us?

Blaming others for your problems doesn't solve them. Take responsibility. Don't like the welfare state, try to change it. Fighting immigrants does nothing to change it.

How am I responsible for allowing in tens of millions of people?

Oh but it does! If you do now import more welfare supports it makes it easier to get rid of the welfare system, sorry you can not understand this.

You have lots of time. At current projections, whites will still be at least 50% of the population for the next 30 years. http://mic.com/articles/106252/the-...ority-in-america-has-been-declared#.fz83Y7H5r Even then, you will still be in the largest group in the country.

Yeah, no. We are not going to allow ourselves to become a minority inside of our nation. It does not benefit us in any way and in a "mobocracy" our rights and wealth will be stolen from us in every election. You want to see your future in such a nation? Look at South Africa, high taxes, higher regulations, exploding poverty, you are throw in jail for speaking your mind, out of control crime rates, Whites are targeted for rape and murder and where your right and means of self defense are slowly being talking away after every election.

No thank you, We will reduce immigration as to insure your culture, rights and our political domination of them is not stolen from us under the lie of "equality".

Sorry if you are not able to understand that becoming a minority in your own nation has never benefit any people or culture in human history.

 

[Zippyjuan]

How am I responsible for allowing in tens of millions of people?

Which "tens of millions" are those?

 

[AmericanSpartan]

Which "tens of millions" are those?

Most of the illegals we have are no longer coming from Mexico. Way to destroy your own post.

http://immigration.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000845#countries

https://www.conservativereview.com/...-report-massive-immigration-surge-from-mexico

 

[Zippyjuan]

Most of the illegals we have are no longer coming from Mexico. Way to destroy your own post.

http://immigration.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000845#countries

https://www.conservativereview.com/...-report-massive-immigration-surge-from-mexico

"Way to destroy your own post"? Actually that was the POINT of my post. They aren't coming by the tens of millions as you fear.

Ah so it isn't "welfare using and voting Mexicans" you were going on about. Wasn't it along Mexico you wanted a bigger wall to keep them out? Your entire first post in this thread has all kinds of pretty charts on Hispanics. Or did you mean a Great Wall between here and China and India- the new #1 source of immigrants? Do the Chinese and Indians vote socialist? (Chinese don't really get to vote).

At least you finally admit that Mexicans are not a problem.

But let's keep the same link for a different chart. Again- where are the "tens of millions"?

 

[MelissaWV]

We can no longer allow in mass immigration from cultures so dissimilar from our own and in such numbers that they sway the elections to aid the forces of collectivism.

Do not think they do or would?

Personally, what worries me the most is the lack of English skills.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

"Way to destroy your own post"? Actually that was the POINT of my post. They aren't coming by the tens of millions as you fear.

They are about 30 million of them here.

Ah so it isn't "welfare using and voting Mexicans" you were going on about. Wasn't it along Mexico you wanted a bigger wall to keep them out? Your entire first post in this thread has all kinds of pretty charts on Hispanics. Or did you mean a Great Wall between here and China and India- the new #1 source of immigrants? Do the Chinese and Indians vote socialist? (Chinese don't really get to vote).

At least you finally admit that Mexicans are not a problem.

But let's keep the same link for a different chart. Again- where are the "tens of millions"?

LOL Wow you are this dense, you can keep out the illegals with a fence, you can reduce the immigrants from China and India with laws and restriction on immigration, love your defeatist attitude.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

Personally, what worries me the most is the lack of English skills.

Those that do not have a point to make talk about grammar.

But hey glad to see you have your priorities in order.

 

[MelissaWV]

Those that do not have a point to make talk about grammar.

But hey glad to see you have your priorities in order.

Oh, you thought that was about you! Imagine my embarrassment. It must have been my utterly vague and pointless wording. I should be more careful when making a point on a medium that consists entirely of text.

 

[Zippyjuan]

They are about 30 million of them here.




LOL Wow you are this dense, you can keep out the illegals with a fence, you can reduce the immigrants from China and India with laws and restriction on immigration, love your defeatist attitude.

Source?

(speaking of grammar- that should be "there are" not "they are")

LOL Wow you are this dense, you can keep out the illegals with a fence, you can reduce the immigrants from China and India with laws and restriction on immigration, love your defeatist attitude.

If Mexicans are not a problem (as you admitted in a previous post)

Most of the illegals we have are no longer coming from Mexico.

we don't need a bigger fence to keep them out. But even with the one we have, they go under, over, and around it. Plus about half all illegal immigrants entered the country legally.

More laws and restrictions on immigration? We already have those. The more difficult you make legal immigration, the more illegal immigration you encourage. Eisenhower rounded up some immigrants- while at the same time creating about half a million temporary visas a year to let more in to relieve that pressure (and to provide enough labor for agriculture and business).

 

[AmericanSpartan]

Source?

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...igrants-in-us-says-mexicos-former-ambassador/

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/former-mexico-ambassador-30/2015/08/18/id/670740/


http://www.cairco.org/issues/how-many-illegal-aliens-reside-united-states-elbel

http://www.capsweb.org/press-releases/illegal-aliens-estimated-20-38-million

If Mexicans are not a problem (as you admitted in a previous post)

Mass immigration of 3rd world/primitive cultures are a problem.

we don't need a bigger fence to keep them out. But even with the one we have, they go under, over, and around it. Plus about half all illegal immigrants entered the country legally.

Crown it with razor wire, have seismic senors. and drone blimps. As for the ones who come legally, have a system that records their entry, counts back the time they are allowed in, and if they do not leave, have a warrant issued for their arrest.

This is not hard to do, you just justify doing nothing.

"Well since one or two prisoners escape, why bother sending anyone to prison for violent crimes, I mean its not like laws stop people from murdering others".

More laws and restrictions on immigration? We already have those. The more difficult you make legal immigration, the more illegal immigration you encourage. Eisenhower rounded up some immigrants- while at the same time creating about half a million temporary visas a year to let more in to relieve that pressure (and to provide enough labor for agriculture and business).

No, some people do not belong here, and should not be allow in, Illiterate single mother from Pakistani who has 8 kids? Not sorry to say you do not belong here and have nothing to offer us.

The more difficult you make it break into a home the more people break into homes?

See how your logic defeats itself.

Yeah times change, we have machines, time for those visas to be scrapped.


Oh, no,no,no,no. We do not have enough nor the right kind we let in people based on if they have family not if they are skilled, we let in people who are a burden to us, or from nations and cultures that harm us and wage war against us inside of our nation that results in the loss of our freedoms..

Remember 9/11? Those were people let in legally. Why did we let them in legally? Why did we let in people from such cultures? What did we get? The Patriot Act, TSA, DHS, NSA spying, A worthless war, countless dead or wounded, trillions in debt, and countless laws that reduce our Liberty...And you want to import more of these people, from these cultures....Why?

You do not give a damn about freedom, your pie in the sky insanity has costed us more then enough.

 

[Zippyjuan]

From your own link:

Mexico’s former ambassador to the U.S. said that 30 million “undocumented immigrants” are living in the United States in the beginning of an interview before later stating a different number at the conclusion.

Sarukhan then stated later in the interview that there are 11.3 million illegal immigrants in the country,

He corrected himself. But Breitbart liked the bigger number so it got the headline- not the correction.

Remember 9/11? Those were people let in legally. Why did we let them in legally? Why did we let in people from such cultures? What did we get? The Patriot Act, TSA, DHS, NSA spying,

Are you for or against those things? You have been arguing for more DHS and TSA and others to have more powers to deal with the "immigration problem". If you want to keep 100% out and track all the ones here and maybe get rid of them, we need ten times the size of those we currently have. But no matter how much money you spend or how many more tougher laws you enact, you cannot stop 100% of people coming to the country. Unless we build a giant bubble over the country and let nobody and no goods in or out. Of course then they could tunnel under the dome. The question is how much money you want to spend and how many rights you want to give up to get rid of how many immigrants. Costs per immigrant go up exponentially the more you try to get rid of.

That will lead us to, as you point out,

that results in the loss of our freedoms..

if we adopt your proposed solutions. All the while not addressing any real problems in the country.

Oh, no,no,no,no. We do not have enough nor the right kind we let in people based on if they have family not if they are skilled, we let in people who are a burden to us, or from nations and cultures that harm us and wage war against us inside of our nation that results in the loss of our freedoms..

Let's see. We fought the French. We fought the British. We fought the Germans and Italians and the Spanish. That rules out most Europeans. If you are descended from one of those, you will have to leave. None of them actually speak our language anyways (the British kind of do but they keep screwing it up -tomato vs tomatoe and the like)- they would not fit in. We would not want them to be uncomfortable. They might make us uncomfortable too. And they might vote socialist.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Remember 9/11? Those were people let in legally. Why did we let them in legally? Why did we let in people from such cultures? What did we get? The Patriot Act, TSA, DHS, NSA spying, A worthless war, countless dead or wounded, trillions in debt, and countless laws that reduce our Liberty...And you want to import more of these people, from these cultures....Why?

AmericanRacist,

Rounding up "illegals" in this country will make those violations of liberty you speak of look like child's play.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

AmericanRacist,

Rounding up "illegals" in this country will make those violations of liberty you speak of look like child's play.

So you have no point to make, you are shown how mass immigration led to lose of freedom, the very thing you claim will happen if we reduce immigration and all you have is screaming "racist"...You are child.

Nope, just stop welfare, mandate E verify, ask cops to enforce immigration, cut funds to cities that refuse, build a wall, end brithright citizenship, and reduce immigration in number and scope.

 

[Zippyjuan]

1) Illegal immigrants aren't eligible for federal government aid.
2) we already have a wall
3) end birthright? I thought you were a Constitutionalist. It is in there.
4) E-verify. National ID cards and checks. Turn employers and schools into government police agents.
5) reduce immigration in number and scope. Net migration from Mexico (legal and illegal) hit zero a few years ago. http://www.pewhispanic.org/2012/04/23/net-migration-from-mexico-falls-to-zero-and-perhaps-less/

Net Migration from Mexico Falls to Zero—and Perhaps Less

The largest wave of immigration in history from a single country to the United States has come to a standstill. After four decades that brought 12 million current immigrants—most of whom came illegally—the net migration flow from Mexico to the United States has stopped and may have reversed, according to a new analysis of government data from both countries by the Pew Hispanic Center, a project of the Pew Research Center.

The standstill appears to be the result of many factors, including the weakened U.S. job and housing construction markets, heightened border enforcement, a rise in deportations, the growing dangers associated with illegal border crossings, the long-term decline in Mexico’s birth rates and broader economic conditions in Mexico.

More at link.