If you want to insure Liberty reigns we have to reduce and control Immigration

[AmericanSpartan]

"It does is so connected?" What grade are you in?

Notes on the above chart. If at least one person was not born in the country, the whole family is counted as an "immigrant family". Mom is Canadian and dad US citizen and kids born here? Even if Mom since became a US Citizen. Immigrant family. Immigrant includes illegal immigrants as well as legal immigrants. "On welfare" means at least one person received some benefit. If you had a kid at school with a subsidized lunch, the family is counted as "on welfare". The article is not included but it did say that illegal immigrants were only in the "cash" category and some "housing assistance". They are not eligible for welfare or Medicaid or Social Security or other Federal programs. Legal immigrants are not eligible for five years. Figures are misleading.

Such a liar. Wow...I wish it was only people like you that had to foot the bill for this immigration.

 

[TheCount]

Did I say that? How did you get that from what I said? I have to know this. Travel visas yes, strictly enforced, and given to those of means.

Travel visas are the main way people illegally immigrate. Student visas are up there too. Both are done by people "of means."

According to the department of commerce, the US had 74,756,566 international visitors in 2014. 34,419,016 of those came from overseas. That number is growing by approximately 7% annually. Are you planning on running a background check on every tourist traveling to the US? How will you enforce your visas?

 

[fisharmor]

I wish it was only people like you that had to foot the bill for this immigration.

It's official, people: AmericanSpartan supports welfare programs.

Which isn't surprising, since this is the other cornerstone of the anti-immigration position.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Such a liar. Wow...I wish it was only people like you that had to foot the bill for this immigration.

You keep saying I am a liar yet fail to disprove anything I said. Hmm. Maybe you can't and that is the best response you can come up with? Oh, well. Thanks for trying.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

Travel visas are the main way people illegally immigrate. Student visas are up there too. Both are done by people "of means."

According to the department of commerce, the US had 74,756,566 international visitors in 2014. 34,419,016 of those came from overseas. That number is growing by approximately 7% annually. Are you planning on running a background check on every tourist traveling to the US? How will you enforce your visas?

Easy when they come into the nation their visa data is entered, the time they are allowed in the nation is entered and it is counted down, 2 weeks before their time is up we call them, insure everything is ready, when they leave they are checked out, if they are not a warrant is issued for their arrest.

We can track millions of packages but we can not track visitors? Time for this insanity to end is long over due.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Easy when they come into the nation their visa data is entered, the time they are allowed in the nation is entered and it is counted down, 2 weeks before their time is up we call them, insure everything is ready, when they leave they are checked out, if they are not a warrant is issued for their arrest.

We can track millions of packages but we can not track visitors? Time for this insanity to end is long over due.

Cool. Bigger and more intrusive Police State to track everybody. Very Libertarian idea.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

You keep saying I am a liar yet fail to disprove anything I said. Hmm. Maybe you can't and that is the best response you can come up with? Oh, well. Thanks for trying.

No if you had just watched the video you would see it, but you are the kind of person whom facts are of no value. You like mass immigration? Great, your side will be the one to pay the costs.

Love how you are so eager to be replaced in your own nation, your culture displaced and freedoms voted away by imported serfs.

 

[fisharmor]

Great, your side will be the one to pay the costs.

Double confirmed: AmericanSpartan is in favor of socialism.

 

[William R]

100 percent correct. Open borders and mass immigration only dooms liberty. Importing people from primitive cultures is insanity. We should reduce immigration to 250 thousand people a year. They should all be self sufficient and judged on their ability to assimilate into our culture. This is just basic commonsense. The free flow of goods and services is fine because they expire. People tend to multiply and begin to change the culture. Europe is a perfect example.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

Double confirmed: AmericanSpartan is in favor of socialism.

No, I am against it, you favor a program or system that increases costs, you pay said costs.

 

[fisharmor]

No, I am against it, you favor a program or system that increases costs, you pay said costs.

I'm not in favor of a system that incurs costs at all. You accept the costs, you accept that the costs exist and you imply that they need to be paid.
The only difference between you and Bernie Sanders in this respect is that you want only certain people to bear the costs: you said this TWICE.
I quoted it twice. No deletions and no take-backsies.

If you want to discuss how socialism is bad, great. But we've known on this site since years before you showed up, secret support for the welfare state is one of the two primary reasons to be anti-immigration.

If you think you don't support it, great.... explain to us how anti-immigration policies make sense if socialism didn't exist. In other words, let's get back to your racism.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

100 percent correct. Open borders and mass immigration only dooms liberty. Importing people from primitive cultures is insanity. We should reduce immigration to 250 thousand people a year. They should all be self sufficient and judged on their ability to assimilate into our culture. This is just basic commonsense. The free flow of goods and services is fine because they expire. People tend to multiply and begin to change the culture. Europe is a perfect example.

Damn it you are using too much common sense, Ever notice how open borders/mass immigration supporters ignore how immigrants vote a vast majority for the same big goverment parties that they did back home but the think the moment they touch American solid the "Magic dirty" theory effects them they become liberty mind people.

Nothing more then liberal like emotionalism.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

I'm not in favor of a system that incurs costs at all. You accept the costs, you accept that the costs exist and you imply that they need to be paid.
The only difference between you and Bernie Sanders in this respect is that you want only certain people to bear the costs: you said this TWICE.
I quoted it twice. No deletions and no take-backsies.

If you want to discuss how socialism is bad, great. But we've known on this site since years before you showed up, secret support for the welfare state is one of the two primary reasons to be anti-immigration.

If you think you don't support it, great.... explain to us how anti-immigration policies make sense if socialism didn't exist. In other words, let's get back to your racism.

Sure let me not pay taxes and see what happens. I am against the welfare state, I am also against importing welfare users/future voters which is what we are doing.

Well it does, and unless you have a time machine and suppressed pistol it will always exist but that is beside the point. Low immigration would benefit workers as it would not water down the value of labor, would reduce criminal and terrorist elements, reduce the spread of disease, strain on the environment, prevent voter importation, and it would insure the racial make up of the nation does not change beyond our control.

You will scream "racist" but the fact is it has never been a great thing to be a minority in your own nation, culturally, economically, and politically. Rome and the Native Americans are proof of this, what do you say we avoid repeating history?

 

[r3volution 3.0]

How do you get rid of welfare? Please tell us how you will do this...

I don't know. Any thoughts?

If you can't eliminate welfare (be it for whites, blacks, or browns), immigration policy makes no difference whatsoever.

You're pissing in the wind.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Damn it you are using too much common sense, Ever notice how open borders/mass immigration supporters ignore how immigrants vote a vast majority for the same big goverment parties that they did back home but the think the moment they touch American solid the "Magic dirty" theory effects them they become liberty mind people.

Nothing more then liberal like emotionalism.

How do the native white people vote? They really have cut government, haven't they?

 

[AmericanSpartan]

How do the native white people vote? They really have cut government, haven't they?

No they have not, but if we do not reduce importation of welfare voters it will make it impossible.

But hey keep changing the subject or justifying inaction. With people like you who needs leftists?

 

[AmericanSpartan]

I don't know. Any thoughts?

If you can't eliminate welfare (be it for whites, blacks, or browns), immigration policy makes no difference whatsoever.

You're pissing in the wind.

So you have no answers, shocking. Yes it does make a major difference if you are not importing voters/supports of a welfare state.
you have a greater chance of ending it.

You are pissing in the wind...

 

[Zippyjuan]

No they have not, but if we do not reduce importation of welfare voters it will make it impossible.

But hey keep changing the subject or justifying inaction. With people like you who needs leftists?

Illegal immigrants can't vote. Legal immigrants can only vote once they become citizens. All citizens have the right to vote (except for convicts).

In Arizona- that hotbed of immigrant issues- they investigated voter fraud. Between 2004 and 2014 they identified TWO cases of illegal immigrants voting. Two voters in ten years.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/articles/20131105arizona-immigrant-vote-fraud-rare.html

At an August news conference, Horne and Bennett cited voter-fraud concerns as justification for continuing a federal-court fight over state voter-ID requirements. And some Republican lawmakers have used the same argument to defend a package of controversial new election laws slated to go before voters in November 2014.

But when state officials are pushed for details, the numbers of actual cases and convictions vary and the descriptions of the alleged fraud become foggy or based on third-hand accounts.

An examination of voter-fraud cases in Maricopa County shows those involving illegal immigrants are nearly non-existent, and have been since before the changes to voter-ID requirements were enacted in 2004.

In response to an Arizona Republic records request, the Maricopa County Attorney’s Office provided a list of 21 criminal cases since January 2005 in which the suspect was charged with a felony related to voter fraud. A search of court records found 13 other cases.

Of the 34 Maricopa County cases, two of the suspects were in the country illegally and 12 were not citizens but living in the U.S. legally, court records showed. One of the suspect’s legal-residency status was unclear from the records.

The non-citizens came from around the world — Indonesia, Canada, Mexico, Yugoslavia, the Philippines and Thailand. Most had been living legally in the U.S. for decades. Several stated in court documents that they thought they were permitted to vote because they were legal permanent residents of the United States.

None was convicted of a felony or given any jail time. A couple of the cases were dismissed; the other suspects pleaded guilty to misdemeanors and served a few months of probation.

Eighteen of the cases involved convicted felons who had lost the right to vote. In several of the cases, the felons told the court no one had ever explained to them that they no longer could vote even after serving their time. One said he was sent an early ballot in the mail and thought he was permitted to vote.

 

[tod evans]

Illegal immigrants can't vote. Legal immigrants can only vote once they become citizens. All citizens have the right to vote (except for convicts).

If anything convict votes should count double seeing as how most actually understand what they're voting for or against....

 

[Zippyjuan]

Of course back in the "good old days" only rich (propertied) white males were even allowed to vote.