If you want to insure Liberty reigns we have to reduce and control Immigration

[LibertyEagle]

You can count me in the "given up" category. I see no way to fix this before the inevitable collapse. So let it come, I'll be with the vanguard of those who will pick up the pieces to build something new, something worth preserving for future generations.

Good luck with that. The globalists WANT it to fall; that's what they have been working hard to accomplish, and then we will be ushered into world government.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

This is all l I needed really.

Summary of this thread:

'I hate collectivists! We need to prevent immigrants from coming to the U.S because they will overwhelm us with collectivism!'

few posts later

'No man is an island, we need a shared *x,y and z*!!'

The only guns pointed anywhere are by the state on borders against individuals interested in voluntary interactions.

I don't view a stronger government border and anti-immigration as "winning liberty." Most libertarians do not either. Accept and embrace your nationalism and conservatism, but don't pretend it is for reasons of liberty that you have such beliefs. You are a collectivist. Accept that fact!

"Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuehrer" seems to describe your beliefs much more accurately than "Live Free or Die."

Well that is your opinion, it does not change the fact that it is, it secure the border as well as reduces crime, poverty, welfare spend and it staves the leftist for future voters...
How is a secure border wrong? Do you have a secure door and walls around your home?

aw the classic "Nazi" card, you really are a leftist...

 

[Anti Federalist]

Good luck with that. The globalists WANT it to fall; that's what they have been working hard to accomplish, and then we will be ushered into world government.

There is no "then", it is already here.

And when Obama uses executive privilege to sign onto the Paris Climate Accord, at the end of this month, well, turn out the lights, game over.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

Freedom is quite obviously subjective.......

For me it means to be left the hell alone.

I'm quite comfortable stating that I've not been alive during a time of freedom in this country, and I can assure you that you haven't.

I know I have not, I could be but I am not and the fact others fell asleep on fire watch and allowed the forces of tyranny to make massive grounds pisses me off beyond words.

You're entitled to fight for whatever you like just be sure you know your enemy..

I am always learning about them...

Sure you do that's why you're hoping to rally others to follow your vision.......

It never hurts to have supports and like ind people.

Sheeple follow............It appears as though you're looking for sheeple to follow you...

No, I hope to have wolves. If people want to join me that is their choice.

Man up, make your own place, don't blame others and above all else don't subsidize your enemy......

I am making my own place, I blame those who are to blame for their inaction, stupidity, greedy, or what can only logically be called treason.

I do as much as i can to not subsidize my enemy.

 

[klamath]

We can not breed in numbers equal to or greater then the numbers imported because we value having a stranded of living and are not able to meet the requirements for the same welfare programs, seeing that we move to reduce and cap immigration in number and origin.

Stop mass immigration, limit to the nations/cultures of the Freedom Club, grow the economy, redo housing laws as to protect the Freedom of association, and the white birth rate will increase, the Sailer Strategy in action.

Sorry if you can not understand this but some cultures and people will never be willing to buy into freedom, those that do not are not allowed to effect us and reduce our nation, numbers, elections, and futures.

Self Preservation is the first and highest of natures law.

Now you can go back to the Trump forum. The White birth rate has NOTHING to do with housing laws. It has to do with white people NOT WANTING the responsibility of large families. Tell again about the nest of freedom called northern WHITE Europe?

 

[AmericanSpartan]

Now you can go back to the Trump forum. The White birth rate has NOTHING to do with housing laws. It has to do with white people NOT WANTING the responsibility of large families. Tell again about the nest of freedom called northern WHITE Europe?

White flight due to section 8 and other failed programs is a major issue. Some do not want one, other do but can not afford it, and even if we were having 2 kids per couple we would still be being displaced due to the massive numbers we take in.

Tell me about the nest of Liberty being anywhere else?


The Solutrean People

What if …

Those poor schlubs from ancient times, exiled to the frozen tundra of Northern Europe from their hearthlands in warmer climes, were exiled because they “couldn’t play well with others”?

What if …

Their independence streak was strong enough to force exile because it was innate – they were born that way and could not change who they were?

What if …

Living in physical, social and most importantly, genetic isolation for a very, very long time produced families of stubbornly independent people in scattered isolation throughout and across northern Europe and, perhaps, in other pockets of resistance to conformity in the hearthland itself?

What if …

The self-same, innate trait of independence evolved over the ages, through countless, forgotten episodes of conflict and reconciliation, trial and prosperity leading to a state of Liberty in which individuals were respected as their own sovereign, free to ally or oppose each other as befit the circumstances?

What if …

This sense of ordered, cooperative Liberty became the hallmark trait of these northern peoples notable for their success in producing robust, enjoyable societies and, almost inconsequentially but vitally, such a proprietary interest in one’s family and the land they called home that, when challenged, leads inexorably to an indomitable fighting spirit?

What if …

Because of its splendid isolation, the inhabitants of the British Isles became the shining exemplar of this remarkable, undoubtedly recessive, Liberty Gene purified by the test of time?

Signing of the Magna Carta, 1215 by Charles Sims (1873-1928)

What if …

The most independent of those already purified strains of the Liberty Gene seized the unique, one-time-only, historic opportunity presented by the discovery of America and migrated there, by the family, to conquer and colonize the New World making it in their image, with their birthright of ordered Liberty, with painstakingly developed institutions to preserve and propagate themselves there as a “New Jerusalem” for their people?

Signing of the Mayflower Compact, 1620

No “What if?” about it.

This is the story of the discovery and conquest of America, of the people whose blood, sweat, toil and tears made it happen, and how their activity in the New World grabbed the attention of their former compatriots of the Old World, gripping their imagination with the news of those remarkable personalities, the Americans and their Liberty Gene.

The Liberty Gene, inherited from our fathers who themselves claimed it for themselves over the course of millenia. Tested, challenged, beaten, nurtured, purified by the fires of time.

The Liberty Gene gave a means of cooperation to aggressive, ambitious, stubborn, often violent people.

The Liberty Gene compels each man to be the king of his own castle, to submit to no man save his consent be earned. To live at peace with neighbors not enemies, to respect mutual sovereignty in the gaining of mutual benefit.

The Liberty Gene is the basis of British civilization and thereby the basis of American civilization. It is the basis of Protestantism. It is the basis of our political organization be it the Confederation of 1776 or the united Federation of 1789. It is the basis of the governments of our American Commonwealth states such as Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Kentucky, and Virginia in which the smallest municipality has authority over all higher levels of government as the closest form of government to the citizenry itself.

Scene at the Signing of the Constitution of the United States -1789 Philadelphia

The Liberty Gene historically was found in that part of Europe that resisted Roman occupation and later identified with the Protestant Reformation. It was expressed in Europe’s free cities of Athens, Sparta, Venice, Geneva, and Basel, expressed by the Hanseatic League, by the Swiss Confederation, the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and by European “resistance” forces everywhere tyranny was imposed.

The Liberty Gene might be found anywhere on earth although it is rare indeed, rarer still the farther one journey’s from the British Isles, falling victim to inhospitable climes that prevent it altogether.

But mainly and most importantly to us, the Liberty Gene is a gift to the American nation as it was able to flourish wildly.

 

[klamath]

We are all saved! thank God for the liberty GENE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Sola_Fide]

You are on the wrong website friend.

We don't believe in statism (most of us here don't). We don't believe in state controls.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

You are on the wrong website friend.

We don't believe in statism (most of us here don't). We don't believe in state controls.

Do you believe in national defense? Do you believe that anyone should be allowed to walk into this nation? Do you believe cultures and people are interchangeable?

Do you believe in any role of goverment? I think you a confused anarchist.

 

[The Gold Standard]

Do you believe in national defense? Do you believe that anyone should be allowed to walk into this nation? Do you believe cultures and people are interchangeable?

Do you believe in any role of goverment? I think you a confused anarchist.

I don't believe in nations. I believe anyone should be allowed to walk on unowned land. No, I don't believe cultures and people are interchangeable. Nor do I see the relevance of that question.

No I don't believe in any role of government. It's very existence is evil. I am an anarchist, but I'm not confused about any of this discussion.

But it doesn't take an anarchist to disagree with your proposed ideas.

 

[fisharmor]

We are all saved! thank God for the liberty GENE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I gotta say this is a first, and that's quite something considering how tired anti-immigration arguments are.

I've never before seen anyone argue that brown people are actually genetically incapable of understanding liberty... and at the same time claim this has nothing at all to do with race.

 

[fisharmor]

GS, Im an anarchist, and Im utterly confused...... about how this person came to his conclusions.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

I'm with you on deporting the Mexicans...

...right after we deport the folks whose ancestors voted in:

The Federal Reserve
Social Security
Medicare
Medicaid
Food Stamps
HUD
The Dept. of Education
The EPA
The National Labor Relations Board

...it's almost like most voters, of whatever nationality, are idiots?

...like the problem is voting, rather than who votes?

hmm

 

[AmericanSpartan]

I'm with you on deporting the Mexicans...

...right after we deport the folks whose ancestors voted in:

The Federal Reserve
Social Security
Medicare
Medicaid
Food Stamps
HUD
The Dept. of Education
The EPA
The National Labor Relations Board

...it's almost like most voters, of whatever nationality, are idiots?

...like the problem is voting, rather than who votes?

hmm

You left out the ATF.

 

[Quark]

Well that is your opinion, it does not change the fact that it is, it secure the border as well as reduces crime, poverty, welfare spend and it staves the leftist for future voters...
How is a secure border wrong? Do you have a secure door and walls around your home?

aw the classic "Nazi" card, you really are a leftist...

How are your proposed border defenses funded? Socially and collectively through taxation. Also the silly equation of a geographical area to homesteaded/traded property is silly. Claims are not property no matter how much statists think they are. Property is homesteaded, a government therefore does not have a right nor a claim to all the land in the U.S.

Also I never got the notice that only leftists can oppose nationalism and Nazism. So far you have described a strong imperialist nation-state, in which all the persons who don't have the "liberty" gene are deported. I have no doubt that those without the "liberty gene" would also be considered unworthy of liberty and voting rights as the next step in your path to "liberty."

 

[r3volution 3.0]

You left out the ATF.

I left out most of the horrors of our government (there are so very many)...

...almost all of which were created before non-Europeans became a meaningful part of the electorate.

 

[TheCount]

You left out the ATF.

In the late '60s, (white) voters decided that they needed laws to keep guns out of the hands of scary (black) activists during the civil rights movement. Boogity boogity. Gun control was born, and the ATF with it. All from politics very similar to those you advocate in this thread.

When you give the government more power to police your neighbor, it's going to come back around to you eventually. Guns. Marriage. Marijuana. Government control of all three stems from race-based politics. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

How are your proposed border defenses funded? Socially and collectively through taxation. Also the silly equation of a geographical area to homesteaded/traded property is silly. Claims are not property no matter how much statists think they are. Property is homesteaded, a government therefore does not have a right nor a claim to all the land in the U.S.

Also I never got the notice that only leftists can oppose nationalism and Nazism. So far you have described a strong imperialist nation-state, in which all the persons who don't have the "liberty" gene are deported. I have no doubt that those without the "liberty gene" would also be considered unworthy of liberty and voting rights as the next step in your path to "liberty."

Please go on, the men at my office are laughing their asses off. As for funding, it is cheaper to build a fence then pay for welfare.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Please go on, the men at my office are laughing their asses off. As for funding, it is cheaper to build a fence then pay for welfare.

And it's cheaper to get rid of welfare than build a fence.

....O, but native-born Americans don't want to get rid of welfare?

....they keep voting for more of it?

....because they like it for themselves?

QED

 

[Zippyjuan]

Please go on, the men at my office are laughing their asses off. As for funding, it is cheaper to build a fence then pay for welfare.

The majority of immigrants coming to the US today are coming from Asia. Maybe we need a big wall through the Pacific Ocean? http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-a...xico-top-u-s-immigrant-origin-nations-n353256

How cheap would that be?